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Message: [QUOTE="dj11, post: 976978, member: 13851"] As of this writing, you've got two posts, and the first one was great. We would very much like you sticking around. You can write even! Spend half the time you were spending playing, and use that time to learn Cardschat. Read the articles, twice, dig down through the old threads, you will find so much here that goes so far beyond the books, that it will, in the end, amaze you. Ask questions!!!!!!! Get familiar with the Analysis sections, both ring and tourney, and tell us what your view is on a hand. If we seem to berate you, we really aren't, we are criticizing and the net just doesn't get it across the same as a good natured discussion with your friends. I'm one of those guys who started swearing to myself I would never deposit real money, played that way for about 2.5 years. I would win some freeroll money and spend it getting used to real money games. I then did deposit a modest amount, and haven't looked back, My deposit total was about 75 bucks, (unclear exactly as this all happened when the UIEGA started and NetTeller kicked all us americans out. I have withdrawn 8 times that initial amount, and still have about 10 times my initial deposit. There are ways, and you found the best way when you found Cardschat.! :D As for the bots. Ignore what you think are bots. They probably do exist, but there are ways around them. Concentrate on your game, not on some one (or something) elses game. Your only interest in their game should be in detecting any pattern from their bets. You do this with both live players and bots. When you get your game good, it won't matter who you are playing. If you get a chance to prove any collusion, send that proof to the site the collusion happened on. You will most likely be surprised. Every now and then, several sites will provide a bot proof screen. It asks the player to type in those tweaked out characters you find here and there which are unreadable to bots. As for the honour of the game. Think about any sport you are not totally terrible in. Perhaps you even have considered yourself good at that. Put yourself in a contest, even with no money involved, with one of the acknowledged greats in that sport. DO you think they are thinking about honour? They are thinking about getting this thing over with ASAP, and your feelings don't mean shit to them. (you might be British spelling honor that way) You are a beginner, the basic rules of poker are easy, even the basic odds of poker are not so hard, but the true spirit of poker can NOT be found in less than a year. It might take 5 years to even realize that you don't have a clue but have caught a glimpse of the real game of poker. This does not mean you can not even hope to be a winning player. You can expect to get some decent winnings now and then, and with practice that now and then becomes shorter and shorter and suddenly you find yourself on the plus side of the ledger. Study and patience are the keys. Hang in there a little while longer. [/QUOTE]

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