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Message: [QUOTE="Pokertron3000, post: 924647, member: 33581"] Sorry mate its early here and my eyes cannot decypher all you post yet but I feel I get the gist. Are you a winning player in the long term? Is that luck? Have you ever seen a massive chip leader at a table looked his stats up and he is a major losing player? Have you then seen him donk all those chips away? Is that bad luck or lack of knowledge/skill. Before I joined CardsChat I never knew the concepts of playing positon or what the terms Roi, M , Ev etc where. To be honest alot of the stuff here still goes over my head but what I have learnt here has changed me from a player who sometimes got lucky and won to a player who genrally wins and some times gets lucky in the course of a game. Hope you understand my point. I guess im saying the difference is most people just play thier hand, others play position, their read on the table and their cards and usally they are "luckier" than the rest. [/QUOTE]