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Message: [QUOTE="vegasjj, post: 2159068, member: 88627"] I would say that typically - if you are able to make your opponents fold before showdown and you take the pot - that mostly involves a higher degree of skill. You may be able to use the combination of table image, flopped cards, table chat, (in live poker body language) and whatever else to create the illusion of a winning hand. In this case skill is by far the greatest factor - although I still give some credit to luck because the "right conditions" were created to give the opportunity for the "skilled" player to use them. However - if you going to showdown - really - luck is the boss! Unless you have a Royal or similar hand. Most hands ARE vulnerable to the river card. There may be statistically only 10% chance to lose - but guess what - the cards don't know that - it will be whatever it will be. THAT IS THE LUCK [/QUOTE]