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Message: [QUOTE="PokerVic, post: 873824, member: 34533"] I'm one of those who thinks the percentage of winners is actually high, but I'm basing my opinion purely on ring games. Every day I play with players who are new to my PT database. Some are net winners at the hands I see them play, some are net losers. We only see a snapshot of their poker career, but we have to assume that the slice that we see can be extrapolated to some extent. My percentage of winning players stays near 40%, and my percentage of losing players stays near 60%. The same arguments for less winners works the same way for less losers. Some losers get better and dig themselves out of their losses. Some winners get worse, or move up to harder stakes, and dip into the red. Many winners will at some point in their career be losers, and many losers will at some point dip into profit. And don't forget that big losers can fund an entire table. There are a lot of players who deposit $200, play with little regard for the money, then give up when they go bust. Net result: 1 loser, and numerous potential winners, after PS takes their rake. If 40% of the players at a given table are profitable over an hour's play (a fair assumption, I think), then why can't we believe that 40% of poker players will be profitable over an extended period of time over a multitude of tables? Here's an example. A player grinds up $300 profit at the 10NL tables. He then moves up to 25NL and loses $250 of it before dropping down. That player is still a net winner, and he just dumped $250 of potential profit into 25NL. Any money not withdrawn stays in the system. An important point in this scenario: losers generally lose big and winners generally win small. That adds up to a lot of dead money for the barely capable players to pick up. My money's on 40%, or thereabouts. And that's not even counting money-added tournaments or deposit/reload/FPP bonuses that cut into the rake. [/QUOTE]

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