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Message: [QUOTE="Ranger390, post: 868215, member: 30660"] Dayne G.: I agree with your statements when it comes to higher level Limit games...maybe beginning at $4/$8 Limit and going all the way up. Perhaps I should have clarified my statements more precisely. It's been my experience that in $2/$4 and $3/$6 Limit games, there are too many players, playing too many hands, and going to far with them. Usually 7-9 players are eeing the flop, playing all kinds of rags, and a raise won't drive them out. When that many people stick around, somebody inevitably hits something to beat big pocket pairs that would usually hold up in other Hold'em games with only 2-3 players seeing the flop...thus, my statement that pre-flop raises with big pocket pairs is often a waste of money. Yes, I know about Expectation and with 7-9 people seeing the flop, I expect big pocket pairs in low dollar Limit games to hold up slightly less than 30% of the time. Over the long run, raising pre-flop may pay-off, if you can learn to deal with the frustration of suck out and people beating you with rags in the short-run. I will admit that my frustration level is not as high as it should be under these circumstances. In my experience, post-flop is entirely another story. Betting, raising, and reraising is very necessary to protect your hand. Again, that doesn't prevent someone from from making statistically bad calls and hitting their gut-shot on the River in the face of a bet and raise. But, in low dollar Limit games, poor players attempt to do it a lot and sometimes succeed. But, post-slop, it's easier to drive them out with a raise or make them pay very dearly to hit their draw. Against these calling stations, you can make lots of extra bets post-flop, because a check-raise and pot odds are not in their vocabulary. In short, I think one must play differently at low dollar Limit games vs higher dollar Limit games and within low dollar Limit games, pre and post flop play. While statistically the cards are the same, the players are not, so I vary my play accordingly. [/QUOTE]

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