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Message: [QUOTE="hackmeplz, post: 2239547, member: 89075"] My logic? No. The official rules of the WSOP? Yes. Also it's very unlikely you'll be able to pick up a tell and fold before they can call, plus you lose the size of the 3-bet as well, if you shove and muck it's considered a call and muck. Like honestly I'm not sure where I stand on it the logic is obviously it will hardly ever happen on purpose so it's better to not punish someone too hard who thought their opponent folded and was mucking to collect the pot but it makes angling suuuuuper -ev (especially preflop) because you have to put in the call regardless. That said I'm also of the opinion that if you make a mistake as obvious as not waiting to make sure your opponent mucked before mucking yourself you deserve whatever you get. I mean it's pretty basic at live to never muck until the dealer is pushing chips towards you. [/QUOTE]