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Message: [QUOTE="cuffslurp, post: 1059099, member: 49025"] I got into Poker about a month ago because I liked the [i]game[/i]. I realised a lot of skill was involved in playing good Poker, and reading about it stimulated me intellectually. I began watching Poker shows on television, and noticed the Pro's pulling off interesting strategic moves. Fascinating! Now, this dimension of Poker all but disappears if the majority of players in a game see the flop on every hand - especially if said players play more than 75% of their starting hands. At that point, no reasonable decisions can be made on your part - there are just too many ways your opponents can have you beat. Even excessive tightness can't help you here. Let's say you play only the top 10 hands, like Phil Hellmuth recommends for beginning players - that's only about 6% of your starting hands! In a game without donks, you'd be able to force out some opponents that need a draw to win, to limit the chances of someone sucking out on you. But in a donk-fest, the expected value of these hands drops dramatically, because there are so many opponents playing for a draw. The way I see it, the pre-flop betting round in Poker is there to determine who's going to play - kind of like the bidding system in Bridge. If you call or raise, you're basically saying your cards are good enough to play. Of course, there's always bluffing to be considered, but if you play more than 75% of your starting hands, like donks, bluffing is a strategy that's just not available to you. In a good game of Poker, only 2 to 4 people see the flop, and [i]if[/i] there's a showdown, it's usually between just 2 players. Those are realistic numbers in a standard 10-player game: pre-flop, only 20%-40% of the players would think their starting hand is good enough to play. And if 4 players see the flop, it seems likely that half of them missed it, and won't stick around until the end. [/QUOTE]

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