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Message: [QUOTE="Merlin333, post: 694703, member: 32004"] [B]Why the self-hate internet players? internet players rock![/B] I just read a blog, one of many I've seen, the purpose of which it seems to me is to "put down" internet poker players. We have all seen commentary about internet players - how bad we are, what luck boxes etc. etc. etc. I have recently seen commentary from [I][B]Daniel Negreanu, Chris Ferguson[/B][/I] and many other pros that indicates a change of attitude about the quality of internet players. I heard a discussion where, as best I could determine, the complaint of pros was the widespread adaptation of aggressive play which all of the most heralded players used back in the day where it's practictioner's dominated other more popular styles of play- [I][B]Doyle Brunson[/B][/I] talks of this in [I][B]Super System 2[/B][/I] the other complaint is tournament size. I responded thusly to the blog:[INDENT] I wish I was "donkey" enough to win 12 million dollars at poker! This year he,by his own admission and my own observation, played poorly. Last year although he got very, very lucky - with the exception of his infraction of hand discussion rules that no one suprisingly complained about, his play was not that of a donkey. I often wonder why the internet players are singled out for suspect play (by some pros and suprisingly some internet players) and the professional players make plays similarly suspect nothing is said. I can't imagine what would be said of Varkonyi, MoneyMaker, Raymer, Hachem, Gold or Yang if they won their tournaments by playing [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Th.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_2c.gif[/IMG] TWICE to boot! It's funny, the one thing that everyone who writes poker books agree on is "change gears to match your opponents style" but the main thing they do about internet players consistently winning is wine about tournament size and to "change games" what will they switch to when (if) internet players dominate HORSE - pinochle? - lol Merlin333 [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG] [I]What I always say is "you're better beat 'em"[/I] [B]ps.[/B] I've seen a million photos of Doyle holding 10 2 and smiling after having won the WSOP - I have NEVER seen it with such a derisive caption. [/INDENT]I can see a certain self serving element to the argument pros make while making derisive comments about internet players. I might too if,[B] just as holdem became the most popular card game on the planet a bunch of "overnight" interlopers swoop down and snatch up the big cash!.[/B] I put it in the same place of the guy I just busted from the button with trip 4's who played [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Jc.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Jd.gif[/IMG] UTG for a min raise who has nothing better to do than namecall and whine in the loser's lounge about my "donkey play" - get over it - play better - you're better than me then win. I have NO sympathy for the "tournament size argument" every internet player is intimately familiar with 2, 3,4, 10 thousand player fields. (Don't give me the faster hands argument either. No matter how many hands per hour, the time taken to win a 10 thousand player tournament you have to beat 10 thousand players). I'd argue it is easier to start big stack, spread the game out over days and slow blind increase. Plus the influx of players because of the internet is the reason for the big payday. Internet players stop the self-hating. There are a lot of top flight internet players you can go to any site that has pros and see them whacking a pro or two on a daily basis. In the local games I play in (and I'm a newbie) if I'm not whacking the local pros some other internet player is. A lot of us are good and thats the fact Jack - the pros who can't just have to get used to it. What do you think? [I]Merlin333[/I] [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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