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Message: [QUOTE="Merlin333, post: 718688, member: 32004"] [B]NAMECALLERS - THINK ABOUT IT....[/B] Last evening yet another losing player started calling the guy who busted him [I](not me this time)[/I] a "donkey". His statement [B]"how could you call me with[/B] [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_5h.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_5c.gif[/IMG]" was [B]a statement that frequently betrays the utter stupidity, the oppressive need to sound "expert" to hide your loss and utter lack of knowledge of the game most name callers have[/B]. (The whiner put in a minimum raise UTG, the 55 guy called - the [B]flop[/B] [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_5d.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_2c.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Qs.gif[/IMG] JJ guy goes all in 55 guy calls - the turn [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_2h.gif[/IMG] river [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Ks.gif[/IMG] [I][B]note[/B] the JJ guy could have easily gotten busted with a Q[/I][I] or overpair)[/I] [I]I must say first [B]I AM NO EXPERT[/B] but I am a student of the game and have come to know a few simple, obvious things :[/I][LIST=1] [*][LIST=1] [*][I][B]Don't slowplay jacks early[/B], particularly online, particularly early[/I] [*][I]Your table can't see your Jacks and [B]Jacks are not a "lock hand"[/B][/I] [*][I][B]There are MANY opportunities to get your jacks busted from a variety of ways and its not just from others holding AA, KK,QQ either[/B][/I] [*][I][B][U]Only rookies play only the strength of their hand [/U][/B]and expect everyone else to fold and LET them win a pot[/I] [*][I]Whatever you do, whatever your skill level [B]"putting someone on a hand" is a guess[/B] (decision based on incomplete information) sometimes you're wrong sometimes you're right. The higher your skill level and familiarity with your competition the [U]more often[/U] you are right - making a wrong decision does not make you a donkey. It happens to every poker player every day regardless of skill level.[/I][/LIST] [/LIST][I][B]Now I am one to not believe that the printed words of a writer of poker books should be slavishly followed. I also think it's childish to ape the words you hear pro's say on TV ("TVpokerese"). I swear people seem to think it's cool to say something is "sick" and I've hear it used in so many situations I'm confused by what it is supposed to mean - but thats just me. [/B]I am one to test what I read and find out for myself the value or lack of value in what I read. I find it suspicious that a current winning, poker pro would write EVERYTHING HE KNOWS FOR GENERAL CONSUMPTION - I wouldn't. PLUS even if they did, your proper application of those writings is what matters. For example: Every artist is familiar with the same brush, paint and easel as [B]Rembrandt[/B], every basketball player is familiar with the same, court, ball, dribble and shot of [B]Michael Jordan[/B] BUT [B]almost no one else can use the same tools as they could no matter how much you read their "how I do it books".[/B] But having said that, this is one of the writing's most poker books agree on, I have found accurate so I'll relate them here. In [B]"Super System 2" Doyle Brunson, in defense of being criticized for losing 580,000 with [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Qd.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_8c.gif[/IMG] in the final event at Bellagio in 2003 and winning the championship with "trash pocket hands" in 1976 with [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Ts.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_2s.gif[/IMG]: and 1977 with [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_Td.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/images/cards/card_2h.gif[/IMG] said this:[/B][/I][INDENT][INDENT] [I]"Today's tournaments are structured to be a lot faster.... You've got to play almost every hand when you're anteing high" At the very least you've got to see the flop. It's not at all surprising I won the 1976 and the 1977 World Championship with trash hands"[/I] [I]"...... I'd rarely play those hands. There's little reason when the ante doesn't force you to play. A major exception is when I play a pot for the sole reason of trying to steal it Then it doesn't matter what I have. I mean I could be playing the hand without even looking at my hole cards. At such time, I'd be playing my money, my position and a particular player. My hand wouldn't matter. If I was forced to look at it because I got played with, I might find two Aces, A-K or trash.... I hadn't made a pair all day, and I'd had to stay alive by stealing some pots, but on this particular play (referring to 2003), my read was wrong.[/I] [/INDENT][/INDENT][I]This is a capacity good pros have most amateurs don't - TO PLAY WITH NOTHING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN YOUR HAND. In non-professional games, you are also more likely to find players in a pot who chase and hit where a pro would have folded streets earlier.[/I] [I][B]One key indicator whining players of this particular low level betray is that most times their "whining about getting caught" mentions only their hand versus the busting hand.[/B] There is [B]often little mention about[/B] preceding play, players tendencies. their table image, how many are seated at the the table, level in the tournament, stack & table position, ante/blinds or any of [B]those "unimportant, inconvenient contributing facts/factors"[/B] that contributed to the demise.[/I] [I][B][U]So the next time you call someone a "donkey" think first - are you showing how little YOU really know about the game? At least consider that if you find yourself in this position a LOT (whining in the losers lounge) maybe you need to learn something...[/U][/B][/I] [I]OK I gotta admit I get more than a little perturbed by people copying "TV Code words" - it's weak make up your own stuff or at least use the words per their definition - so sue me... LOL[/I] [I][B]JonHolt(Merlin333)[/B] [IMG]http://static.railbirds.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG][/I] [I][B]p.s.[/B] If I had a nickel for everytime Jacks busted me, I'd have more money than Bill Gates[/I] - [I][B]p.s.[/B] I know I didn't bleep the word d**key this time..... what can I say[/I] [/QUOTE]

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