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Message: [QUOTE="rifflemao, post: 2323767, member: 98323"] By the "only tree that matters" comment, I was thinking of the US Government. However, I misrepresented the PPA earlier by implying that the skill-game argument is central to their fight for online poker regulation. Here is an excerpt from their [URL="http://theppa.org/about/mission/"]mission statement[/URL]: "The PPA’s mission is to establish favorable laws that provide poker players with a secure, safe and regulated place to play. Through education and awareness the PPA will keep this game of skill, one of America’s oldest recreational activities, free from egregious government intervention and misguided laws." While they promote (rather than dismiss) the skill game aspect, they are focused on political arguments that are more useful to the fight for regulation: "According to Pappas, the skill game argument is a 'legal' argument, one that affects how poker is treated under current laws. The PPA strives to highlight the differences between poker and other casino games. However, he emphasizes that consumer protection and potential state revenue are the 'political' arguments that are key to having poker licensed in the US. These are the arguments in favor of regulating poker that are being made on Capitol Hill and in state houses across the country." ([URL="http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-regulation/ppa-clarifies-poker-skill-game-argument-not-key-to-regulation-27-09/"]source[/URL]) Where the PPA has fought the misconception that "poker can be reduced to gambling" is in the legal realm, by providing experts in the DiCristina case to prove that poker is predominately a game of skill. ([URL="http://calvinayre.com/2013/09/26/poker/dicristina-case-john-pappas-interview-bl-video/"]source[/URL]) Regarding Joe Public, it seems like your side question is rhetorical, but I'll gamble. :) If Joe plays against the odds (calling large bets to chase straight and flush draws etc), he would be considered gambling. If Joe plays a poker tournament and manages to get short-stacked, he would need to gamble or get blinded away. There is a gambling element to poker. What is your point by introducing Joe Public (who we welcome, btw)? :) [/QUOTE]

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