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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 761641, member: 26306"] ok well let's think about this. There are 3 sets of hands that beat you right? Axs, Kxs, and Qxs. Now think about what you would do in his position with any of those hands. Would you be putting it all-in? I don't think so, I think you'd be milking your opponent for all the money he could put in. With a dangerous flop like that he (that would be you) wouldn't make a call unless he had at least a set, and not always then. I've found shoves like that usually mean a strong hand that are scared of being drawn out. Hands like lower flushes, TPTK, 2-pairs, sets, etc. Sure once in a while you get the maniac who will push the nut, 2nd nut, or 3rd nut flush in this spot, but you flopped a 2-carded flush. He has to have one of 3 cards plus the other one must be one of 7 more. Just because of the number of combinations hands like top pair, 2 pair, sets, lower flushes are all more common, and if you think he'd play it that way with that entire range, it's an easy call. I just don't think a good flush is shoving that flop. You realize it was a stupid bet, you said it in the chat. If he had a monster, he gets no action the majority of the time. If he had a crap hand, he only gets called when he's beat so he loses long-term. So with that you can assume he's not a good player, but bad players have a tendency to slow-play way too often. If they hit a flop hard they'll check-raise the flop most of the time. You may have had a case for folding if he checked to you, you bet out, and he shoved. But he shoved before you acted. As I said, most of the time it's a set/2-pair/lower flush type hand, and once in a while it's a flat out bluff (obviously someone who has no concept of what a bluff actually is but wants to try it anyway). So anyway, if you want to be conservative, don't open J2. Playing only premiums gives you the advantage of not having to make marginal flush decisions unless you see a flop free from the BB. But if you want to loosen up you're going to have to be able to make calls like this. You hit a monster, and if he has you beat he got lucky, but you can't be folding this. [/QUOTE]

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