Can you turn a trash hand into a long term winner?

Well, Egon said that you demonstrated 84o can be a long-term winner. Did you ever post a graph or stats?

I just played 1K hands, and apparently I got dealt 84o 5 times. But I must be autopiloting so much that I didn't even realize I got dealt the hand and just folded every time. The 84o needs to start jumping out at me or I'll overlook it

er, graphs/stats, no sorry, I dont use Poker Tracker or any other stat-gathering tools at the mo, Im just a micro stake donk.
I could probably remember my last 20 or so times I played them, they pretty much take the same course as a high-pocket pair, with regards to betting.
As for 84 jumping out at you, it will after the first time you win with it when played like it's AA. You actually wait for it, after a while, because you know you're gonna have to fire bullets on every street with it, and bluff the crap out of it. It doesnt always work, no hand does, but the true odds of it going up against AA and the like doesnt relate at all to the amount of times I actually win with it, albeit mostly without showdowns.
It works better live, playing with the 'big boys', so to speak, cause of my ultra tight image live, with the same people every week pretty much, from about a group of 70 or so, I guess.
At micro you always get the calls of 5xBB when it's only 1c/2c, but then it's even more fun, you've really got to work hard with it to pull off a win.
I'm busy now, but will try a couple of rings later, and play my 84's like AA/KK/QQ and post results later, ok?
sat at ps now, for 10 minutes, maybe I'll get it............kerouacsdog at ps

PokerStars Game #19885086796: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/08/25 - 10:12:30 (ET)
Table 'Isberga' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog ($2 in chips)
Seat 6: gziki65 ($4.56 in chips)
Seat 9: ata3911 ($2.83 in chips)
T-BoneousMax: posts small blind $0.01
Extra Velvet: is sitting out
Kerouacs Dog: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kerouacs Dog [Qs Ac]
gziki65: calls $0.02
ata3911: folds
Extra Velvet leaves the table
T-BoneousMax: calls $0.01
Kerouacs Dog: raises $0.06 to $0.08
gziki65: calls $0.06
T-BoneousMax: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [4c 7d 8h]
T-BoneousMax: checks
Kerouacs Dog: bets $0.06
gziki65: calls $0.06
T-BoneousMax: folds
*** TURN *** [4c 7d 8h] [8c]
Kerouacs Dog: checks
gziki65: checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 7d 8h 8c] [Qd]
Kerouacs Dog: bets $0.10
gziki65: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.10) returned to Kerouacs Dog
Kerouacs Dog collected $0.36 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.36 | Rake $0
Board [4c 7d 8h 8c Qd]
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog (big blind) collected ($0.36)
Seat 6: gziki65 folded on the River
Seat 9: ata3911 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

lol, first hand, wish i had it then...............

okerStars Game #19885133859: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/08/25 - 10:15:39 (ET)
Table 'Isberga' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax ($9.34 in chips)
Seat 4: schlot1 ($1.53 in chips)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog ($2.74 in chips)
Seat 6: gziki65 ($4.30 in chips)
Seat 9: ata3911 ($2.68 in chips)
schlot1: posts small blind $0.01
Kerouacs Dog: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kerouacs Dog [Tc 2c]
gziki65: folds
ata3911: folds
T-BoneousMax: calls $0.02
schlot1: calls $0.01
SY Sueno joins the table at seat #2
Kerouacs Dog: raises $0.06 to $0.08
T-BoneousMax: calls $0.06
schlot1: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [4s Th 6s]
schlot1: checks
Kerouacs Dog: bets $0.16
T-BoneousMax: folds
hanima joins the table at seat #8
schlot1: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.16) returned to Kerouacs Dog
Kerouacs Dog collected $0.24 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.24 | Rake $0
Board [4s Th 6s]
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: schlot1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog (big blind) collected ($0.24)
Seat 6: gziki65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ata3911 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


doyle would be proud...................
(sorry for hijack!) next post will be 84, promise!

Well, alright then, the experiment hasn't been done after all, at least not with long-term data. And human memory is very selective, as we all know.

Ive done it, but evidence hasnt been collated for documentation, if thats what you mean?
I dont keep records online, too much information out there for everyone to see.
btw, what stakes are we talking here,for your experiment, Chris?

sorry, couldnt get you 84, but I played my 96 like i had AA, after the flop i paused big time, to make it look like I was working out my bet......... to tell you the truth, it doesnt matter what hands you are holding, as long as you convince yourself(and more importantly, others) that you are holding AA, which works until you meet AA...........

PokerStars Game #19885402662: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/08/25 - 10:32:51 (ET)
Table 'Isberga' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax ($5.88 in chips)
Seat 2: pisti79 ($2.97 in chips)
Seat 3: BigHairyApe ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog ($2.15 in chips)
Seat 6: gziki65 ($14.61 in chips)
Seat 7: jeje123 ($2.27 in chips)
Seat 8: hanima ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 9: ata3911 ($2.28 in chips)
T-BoneousMax: posts small blind $0.01
pisti79: posts big blind $0.02
jeremycall85: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kerouacs Dog [9h 6c]
BigHairyApe: folds
Kerouacs Dog: raises $0.06 to $0.08
gziki65: calls $0.08
jeje123: folds
hanima: folds
ata3911: folds
T-BoneousMax: folds
pisti79: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ks Th]
ata3911 leaves the table
mali shurda joins the table at seat #9
Kerouacs Dog: bets $0.10
gziki65: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.10) returned to Kerouacs Dog
Kerouacs Dog collected $0.19 from pot
Kerouacs Dog: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.19 | Rake $0
Board [Ac Ks Th]
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: pisti79 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: BigHairyApe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog collected ($0.19)
Seat 6: gziki65 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: jeje123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hanima folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ata3911 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

nah, gotta go, no luck with 84, when you want it you dont get it, i would have posted win or lose.

nice hand to finish on............nice river!

PokerStars Game #19885540937: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/08/25 - 10:41:16 (ET)
Table 'Isberga' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax ($5.69 in chips)
Seat 2: pisti79 ($2.94 in chips)
Seat 3: BigHairyApe ($0.93 in chips)
Seat 4: jeremycall85 ($1.17 in chips)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 6: gziki65 ($16.49 in chips)
Seat 8: hanima ($5.13 in chips)
Seat 9: mali shurda ($4.98 in chips)
mali shurda: posts small blind $0.01
T-BoneousMax: posts big blind $0.02
vongretch: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kerouacs Dog [Ad Ks]
pisti79: folds
BigHairyApe: folds
jeremycall85: folds
Kerouacs Dog: raises $0.06 to $0.08
gziki65: raises $0.06 to $0.14
hanima: folds
mali shurda: folds
T-BoneousMax: folds
Kerouacs Dog: raises $0.36 to $0.50
gziki65: raises $0.36 to $0.86
Kerouacs Dog said, "AA?"
Kerouacs Dog: raises $1.15 to $2.01 and is all-in
gziki65: calls $1.15
*** FLOP *** [7d 4d Th]
*** TURN *** [7d 4d Th] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [7d 4d Th 2s] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kerouacs Dog: shows [Ad Ks] (a pair of Kings)
gziki65: mucks hand
Kerouacs Dog collected $3.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.05 | Rake $0.20
Board [7d 4d Th 2s Kd]
Seat 1: T-BoneousMax (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: pisti79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BigHairyApe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jeremycall85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kerouacs Dog showed [Ad Ks] and won ($3.85) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: gziki65 mucked [Qc Qd]
Seat 8: hanima (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mali shurda (small blind) folded before Flop


34 hands in total......again, sorry for hijack.