Zachvac vs 111000 HU

zachvac · May 4, 2009

SavagePenguin said:
I so <3 this chili pepper costume bet.

Google says it's a 12 hour, 18 minute drive. Not quite worth driving to see.

Don't worry if I win I'm taking+posting pictures and I'm sure he'll do the same if he wins lol.

Infamous1020 · May 4, 2009

zachvac said:
Don't worry if I win I'm taking+posting pictures and I'm sure he'll do the same if he wins lol.

you wont win

zachvac · May 4, 2009

This was probably most interesting hand so far:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players

zachvac: $110.50 (110.5 bb)
111000: $183.65 (183.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: zachvac is SB with K

5

zachvac raises to $3, 111000 raises to $7, zachvac calls $4

Flop: ($14) 9

Q

3

(2 players)
111000 checks, zachvac checks

Turn: ($14) T

(2 players)
111000 bets $8, zachvac calls $8

River: ($30) 8

(2 players)
111000 bets $25, zachvac calls $25

Results: $80 pot ($0.50 rake)
111000 showed A

A

(a pair of Aces) and won $79.50 ($39.50 net)
zachvac mucked K

5

(high card King) and lost (-$40 net)

Infamous1020 · May 4, 2009

hero call obv^ lol

feitr · May 4, 2009

zachvac said:
Alright 501 hands in, I'm +4.70 he's -75.85, so I'm less than a buy-in up, also running about a buy-in above ev basically overpair holds against an over, FD, and gutter on the flop I was like 60-40 dog and stacks were a bit deep. Anyway since neither of us feels like paying an extra $500/piece rake just for 10k hands of 100nl any ideas on how to minimize rake?

Been a really good match so far imo, decided we're not gonna release videos until end just because of the fact that we'd rather not show how we're playing before end of the bet.

Rake is always going to be high until you get to midstakes. HU is profitable coz the edges tend to be high, so there is no real way that both of you can emerge from 10k hands in good shape. odds are that one person will win alot the other will lose alot, or one will win a little and the other will still lose quite alot.

zachvac said:
This was probably most interesting hand so far:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players

zachvac: $110.50 (110.5 bb)
111000: $183.65 (183.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: zachvac is SB with K

5

zachvac raises to $3, 111000 raises to $7, zachvac calls $4

Flop: ($14) 9

Q

3

(2 players)
111000 checks, zachvac checks

Turn: ($14) T

(2 players)
111000 bets $8, zachvac calls $8

River: ($30) 8

(2 players)
111000 bets $25, zachvac calls $25

Results: $80 pot ($0.50 rake)
111000 showed A

A

(a pair of Aces) and won $79.50 ($39.50 net)
zachvac mucked K

5

(high card King) and lost (-$40 net)

u think u had a straight? I've definitely done that before

zachvac · May 4, 2009

feitr said:
Rake is always going to be high until you get to midstakes. HU is profitable coz the edges tend to be high, so there is no real way that both of you can emerge from 10k hands in good shape. Odds are that one person will win alot the other will lose alot, or one will win a little and the other will still lose quite alot.

Well I think we're gonna try to use play money tables. There's a converter on 2p2 to convert it to real money so HEM will import it so I'm gonna try to get it working for live conversion so we can get live imports and track it and just send money equal to chips after each session. Like I knew rake was high, but it's gonna be over 1k for this one match. I'm not really worried about him not paying and I don't think he is so we can just do that I think. idk kinda lame to be doing a challenge on play money tables but better than spending the extra $500+ each.

Infamous1020 · May 4, 2009

btw i just wanted to say i think we're fairly equal in skill and its been pretty cool.

i play weird.

feitr · May 4, 2009

zachvac said:
Well I think we're gonna try to use play money tables. There's a converter on 2p2 to convert it to real money so HEM will import it so I'm gonna try to get it working for live conversion so we can get live imports and track it and just send money equal to chips after each session. Like I knew rake was high, but it's gonna be over 1k for this one match. I'm not really worried about him not paying and I don't think he is so we can just do that I think. idk kinda lame to be doing a challenge on play money tables but better than spending the extra $500+ each.

Ya since you guys are friends just use play money tables and you could add a $1k prop bet or something to the suit for the winner so you aren't totally wasting your time. I don't have many nl100 HU hands in my database atm, but i think $500 would be pretty close to what it would cost each of you for 10k hands - so if you both pool your "saved rake" and give it to the winner seems like a decent compromise.

Infamous1020 · May 4, 2009

feitr said:
Ya since you guys are friends just use play money tables and you could add a $1k prop bet or something to the suit for the winner so you aren't totally wasting your time. I don't have many nl100 HU hands in my database atm, but i think $500 would be pretty close to what it would cost each of you for 10k hands - so if you both pool your "saved rake" and give it to the winner seems like a decent compromise.

^yeah we'll def. consider that.

btw-- zachs gonna lose

Stu_Ungar · May 4, 2009

zachvac said:
This was probably most interesting hand so far:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players

zachvac: $110.50 (110.5 bb)
111000: $183.65 (183.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: zachvac is SB with K

5

zachvac raises to $3, 111000 raises to $7, zachvac calls $4

Flop: ($14) 9

Q

3

(2 players)
111000 checks, zachvac checks

Turn: ($14) T

(2 players)
111000 bets $8, zachvac calls $8

River: ($30) 8

(2 players)
111000 bets $25, zachvac calls $25

Results: $80 pot ($0.50 rake)
111000 showed A

A

(a pair of Aces) and won $79.50 ($39.50 net)
zachvac mucked K

5

(high card King) and lost (-$40 net)

Zach did you think you had the straight? because if not, I just dont understand the call. If the call was intentional, then it woulod be quite an interesting hand to explain.

zachvac · May 4, 2009

Stu_Ungar said:
Zach did you think you had the straight?

Yes

Actually considered value raising but thought maybe he had AK for the nuts and doesn't call a raise with worse not realizing both Kx and AK are just high-cards. I recorded it too I'm gonna look like an idiot lol.

Jack Daniels · May 4, 2009

zachvac said:
Actually considered value raising but thought maybe he had AK for the nuts and doesn't call a raise with worse not realizing both Kx and AK are just high-cards. I recorded it too I'm gonna look like an idiot lol.

Wow, and I was under the impression that you neither drank nor did drugs. Apparently you do both...simultaneously...and heavily.

Infamous1020 · May 4, 2009

Here's a lil preview of how my end of the session was

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $195.15
zachvac (BTN/SB): $272.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K :diamond: T :heart:
zachvac raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, zachvac calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 7 :diamond: 3 :spade: 5 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $11, zachvac raises to $33, Hero raises to $62, zachvac folds

Final Pot: $84.00
Hero wins $83.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN/SB): $212.35
zachvac (BB): $253.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 :spade: A :spade:
Hero raises to $4, zachvac calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) J :diamond: 6 :heart: 9 :diamond: (2 players)
zachvac checks, Hero bets $7, zachvac calls $7

Turn: ($22.00) 8 :club: (2 players)
zachvac checks, Hero bets $20, zachvac calls $20

River: ($62.00) 9 :heart: (2 players)
zachvac checks, Hero bets $50, zachvac folds

Final Pot: $62.00
Hero mucks 4 :spade: A :spade:
Hero wins $61.50
(Rake: $0.50)

zachvac · May 6, 2009

Well we played 1.5k hands last night, I kinda raped like up 18 buy-ins, although I did run kinda good and won at least two 5 buy-in pots (so if I lost those 2 I'm down, although I was decent favorite when money went in for both). I also thought I played pretty well made a soulread fold when I flopped the nuts with a straight and folded river when board paired even though I had been stacking hands like 2nd pair at some times, and the fold turned out to be good. Anyway the play money hand converter and/or HEM is messing up so 18 buy-ins is just an estimate attempting to fix that now so we can get an exact tally and keep playing but 2k hands down 8k to go.

zachvac · May 6, 2009

ok so since day 1 was with rake I think fair way to say is average the two numbers and say I was up that because that's how it's done if they're equal (like +5/-5 = up 5)

+4.7
-75.85

(4.7+75.85)/2 = $40.275

Obviously not right but closest theoretical number in reality rake probably took more from one than the other but on average it took an extra 0.5c from each of us I guess. Anyway:

day 1: Zach +$40.275 over 501 hands
day 2: Zach +$1712.00 over 1500 hands

Total: Zach +$1752.275 over 2001 hands

feitr · May 6, 2009

I guess that is one problem with play money, in that it will be harder to take seriously and you'll have super aggro high variance games.

zachvac · May 6, 2009

feitr said:
I guess that is one problem with play money, in that it will be harder to take seriously and you'll have super aggro high variance games.

meh here's a graph of the first day when we were doing real money:

The Shrog · May 6, 2009

I may be there the night of the 13 or 14th.

AnthonyENG · May 6, 2009

gl with this and at the stone,

zachvac · May 6, 2009

ok this is a better hand, intentional call down, note actual $ values are halved:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players

SB: $469 (234.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $428 (214 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A

K

SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $18

Flop: ($48) 8

4

3

(2 players)
Hero bets $32, SB calls $32

Turn: ($112) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $94, Hero calls $94

River: ($300) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $319 and is all-in, Hero calls $278 and is all-in

Results: $856 pot
SB showed K

T

(a pair of Eights) and lost (-$428 net)
Hero showed A

K

(a pair of Eights) and won $856 ($428 net)

StormRaven · May 6, 2009

Best of luck to you both and may the best plays win!
Definitely want to see pics of the loser in the chili costume - lol!

tpb221 · May 21, 2009

Are we still doing this?

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