Casino Players vs Pub Players

djhuzz · Nov 6, 2018

I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was

river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

quant1986 · Nov 7, 2018

Yes, many recreational players in low stakes game just play for fun and love to chase flushes/straights as well

Souza322 · Nov 7, 2018

quant1986 said:
Yes, many recreational players in low stakes game just play for fun and love to chase flushes/straights as well

yes, im agree, be careful because they call a lot, you should play like at the start of freerolls, tight

iceiceice · Dec 1, 2018

Pub games usually have bad players who are playing any two cards. So just dont bluff and play tight. Eventually the bad players will get eliminated and real poker will start.

fletchdad · Dec 2, 2018

If he is a casino player and has never seen this type of thing happen, he must play with only high stake pros. This kind of thing happens in most games.

Casino 1/3 or 2/5 you will see people play this way regularly. (Never played higher stakes but I expect it happens there as well)

FrothyGoodness · Jun 3, 2019

You'll see shotty play everywhere. Just because one plays in a casino doesnt mean bad beats and terrible calls wouldn't happen there. Just happens less. I mean he can be mad but he has to realize he is at a Rec game and everybody's range is wider

LeeCallaghan · Jun 3, 2019

I was in a pub place last weekdays,
the villain called for Q3 off suit
I have 99, I raised 4 times. (the blind are up 500/1K for a tournament) I have left like only 12K or so what
the flop is 3QQ
she bets 2K
(non of flush)
I'm all in
she called
a boat
like serious? but i still 1K left and she is out.

steveeeee · Jun 10, 2019

quant1986 said:
Yes, many recreational players in low stakes game just play for fun and love to chase flushes/straights as well

love chasin as most times dont have much invested

guineasqueak · Jun 10, 2019

Casinos attract more tourists and gamblers by usually being located in entertaining cities or tourist zones. The rake is also much lower than underground pubs (which contain more skilled grinders and boring regs on average).

chippyrob · Jun 10, 2019

if its low stakes weather at a pub online or in casino youll always get (donks (fish) whatever you want to call them... fact is if he didnt want chancers to call with terrible cards he should of made it more than 4bb in the first place to see the flop so really he only has himself to blame .... i personally would of made it 6/7 bb to go but thats just me and referring back to what i said if its low stakes he may well have got called no matter what as theres always that 1 fish

SoCalGrndR1 · Jul 4, 2019

If he doesnt want to play that would be on him.
In all games there will always be some players making high variance plays. If this player is any good then he should KNOW who he is playing. You WANT these type of players in your game and ADJUST accordingly... If he does not then he might play at a casino but... not be that good of a player...

The more you play you have to look at your actions with the information available. Just looking at the result does not have a lot of value. I have looked at so many hand reviews that talk about multiple strategies and outcomes etc that does not include the actual result of the hand.

SoCal

Max Diver · Oct 10, 2019

djhuzz said:
I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in Casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

Call a 5 X bet with 59s, really this guy should not play that hand. Got lucky but really bad call pre flop.
It was a easy fold anyway.
Pub player vs Casino player doesn´t mean much. Every player is different and every hand brings up a new story and challenge.
Cheers,

FernA9ndo · Oct 10, 2019

overplayed the flush draw.

Haggard88 · Oct 10, 2019

djhuzz said:
I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in Casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

KK would definitely get busted on Poker Stars for sure.. When on a pub play Kks should defo be played as you mentioned it. It also has to do with the fact that you can see your opponent and read or predict their moves. That's why i love live poker casinos or pubs, different atmospheres and satisfactory when play as a pro. Patience and discipline and psychology is the key..

:rock:

SightUnseen · Oct 10, 2019

Weather you're a grinder or a recreational player ATC (any two cards) can win. Most people like to gamble and that they will do. It's hard to win pots if you're not playing hands, then again it's easy to lose tons if you play too many. Continue to play solid, variance is a pain, keep betting for value vs these players until told otherwise. Good luck

c0rnBr34d · Oct 16, 2019

There is a lot of info missing from this HH. What positions? Did anyone else limp pre or call? Are there antes in the pot? Why does Hero only have 12 BB left? I'll assume it's late in the tournament and the blinds are large. Obviously the call pre is terrible but once he sees the flop he is calling 7 BB to win a 10-20 BB pot. If he's making that horrible call pre he is obviously continuing on a flush draw, pair, or open ender. There is plenty of this sort of bad play in casinos too. Especially in tournaments but even in cash. To exploit this, low level cash opens are typically large 5-6 BB for this reason. To get value from fish overcalling with marginal hands. In this case Hero doesn't have enough behind to have much fold equity. May have been better to open 2.5-4 BB pre and then have a pot sized flop jam at least.

Zorba · Oct 17, 2019

djhuzz said:
I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in Casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

I used to regularly play in a similar pub league, with about 36-45 on avg, there are about 12-15 good players and the rest play every hand hoping to get lucky, and quite often they do, it's one of the reasons I don't play it regularly anymore.

Ask your mate if the villain had AKs would he have felt any better, there are players like that everywhere.

:top:

Sword · Oct 24, 2019

This is a game and everything is possible in it, a strong card is the one that wins, and will not save AA, KK....

norwegiancasino · Oct 30, 2019

CrimeaRiver said:
Casinos attract more tourists and gamblers by usually being located in entertaining cities or tourist zones. The rake is also much lower than underground pubs (which contain more skilled grinders and boring regs on average).

Yeah I agree with you on this, like for me I live in Norway and its not possible play casino or card games as the authorities dont allow it. So when Im in cities where its possible to play at casinos I never go to pubs to play, also most pubs have good players there. In Norway I use to play at https://www.casinotopp.net/ so the last 2 years Im more online player, but casinos are the best to play at because of the staff and see other players face to face.

SrWesleiNF · Nov 14, 2019

I think it depends a lot, in games with friends in bars when I play, I don't care much about the prize and bass and it's worth the fun, but as for the players it will always happen, a villain breaking AA like 72 off kkkkkkk

Poker_Mike · Nov 14, 2019

djhuzz said:
I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in Casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

Yes you will see this kind of play at lower stakes in casinos.

59 suited got lucky in at least two ways. One he flopped a flush - very hard to do. Two his opponent overplayed one pair - even though it was an overpair - KK didn't have a heart.

I don't really blame KK for playing his hand this way. But 59h has him right where he wants him.

Pub players do tend to want to see a lot of flops. They don't have a good handle on the basic mechanics of nolimit holdem. IMO they play very dangerously.

I remember encountering a pub player in a casino poker room once. He got me in a similar hand. It took me 2 hours to get my money back! I finally raised with pocket aces and flopped a set of AAA and he had an A with a bad kicker. I did not say anything to him but he left the table after that hand.

Good luck !

cheeeer · Nov 14, 2019

Pub players are the best. If you want recover your bankroll.

pcgnome · Nov 25, 2019

The pub player obviously over-played his hand when you look at the hand equity vs. the pot odds. The thing that used to like most about playing in pubs is that there is lots of drinking going on and when you play tight and stay sober you have a good chance of making it to the final table.

flagstone · Nov 25, 2019

djhuzz said:
I play in a pub poker league where it's a low buy in £5 game 20k chips 18-20 people approx.

We recently invited a friend that plays in Casinos along for a friendly game & he ended up busting out early & kicking up a bit of a fuss because of "bad player".

Now, I want to know if others' have had experience of "bad plays" at low stakes games & if playing GTO is even a viable strategy against these sort of players.

For reference, the hand that cause the upset was:

Casino player

vs

Villain

Casino player raised 5x blinds - villain called

Flop came:

Casino player shoved all in (7x blinds) - villain called (leaving himself with 7x blinds)

Turn was river was

We are trying to invite him back but having only limited experience of Casino play.... I have to ask... would he have seen this sort of play there?

There are a lot of old guys with more money than brains at the casino who play any two cards, so it's not just pub games

They are usually regulars and tend to try to bully any new faces. That's the complaint I always hear at our casino anyway. It's a little better in tournaments..
i've seen that kind of play on tv from the pros too. when they do it though, it's "genius" lol

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