I found a way to end my doubts about online poker

Shay · Mar 17, 2022

jeffman123 said:
Hi, you might want to look into buying some sort of tracker for Poker. This kind of software automatically records every hand you play and puts into a database. After a few months, granted you play a decent amount, you'll have a database of 50000+ hands, at which point you can sort it in whatever way you like. If you have any doubts about the legitimacy of online Poker and want to test if the results you are observing match up with what the probabilities would predict, this is, in my opinion, the best way to do it.

What u think of BOL?

Pokerstudy · Mar 17, 2022

WellAA said:
You misunderstood once more.
You said " I would love to play pokerstars one day". I just told you are going to do a more difficult thing, at live Poker You're struggling isn' it?
Professional players that I know, They go along very well, buy cars, houses etc. with just playing poker.
I know some "talkers professionals" that just borrows from everybody, and struggle to survive. sometime ago I got a winning season, they come to me saying, now you're professional, lend me some $, you need to invest on me I'll give You big ROI. I told them when I get 3 years straight winning more than 7 figures I'll consider it so.

No I am not struggling, I am exactly where I expected to be at this phase and cashing out in tournaments. I can’t gauge success by 6 tournaments, it takes time and volume, but I am not sure you understand that.

Even the best tournament pros lose 80% of the time, they are not “struggling” by losing that often either. The cash outs make up for the loses, I don’t have the energy to explain basics to you man…

WellAA · Mar 17, 2022

mclay said:
It’s a pity that I don’t know Portuguese, but it’s a great idea, good luck to you and more subscribers!

Lol, maybe you talk another language, don't worry, that was just english isn't it? Here we know english, portuguese, spanish, some french and little Deutsch.

WellAA · Mar 17, 2022

Shay said:
Are u saying pokerstars is the hardest site? Why? What u think of the others?

Nope, I just compared Online and Live poker.
Any online is just as hard, maybe the field could be softer in some rooms.

WellAA · Mar 17, 2022

Pokerstudy said:
No I am not struggling, I am exactly where I expected to be at this phase and cashing out in tournaments. I can’t gauge success by 6 tournaments, it takes time and volume, but I am not sure you understand that.

Even the best tournament pros lose 80% of the time, they are not “struggling” by losing that often either. The cash outs make up for the loses, I don’t have the energy to explain basics to you man…

So, that's good to know You're doing well Live.
How much do you do at Live poker? That btw was my first question. remember?

Pokerstudy · Mar 17, 2022

WellAA said:
So, that's good to know You're doing well Live.
How much do you do at Live poker? That btw was my first question. remember?

Bro, I answered that, what is your native language so I can use a translator service to explain to you lol I have played 6 tournaments I have cashed out 2 times and have lost 200 dollars (playing tipsy) Honestly I purposely lost on my first trip, it sounds crazy but I wanted to experience being humiliated by playing ridiculous hands so I could feel the worst. I shoved 54 suited preflop and got called by Aces and the whole room laughed at me. I got it out of the way and it was hilarious. Call it a silly investment, but to me it was worth it to strengthen my mental game.

WellAA · Mar 17, 2022

Pokerstudy said:
Bro, I answered that, what is your native language so I can use a translator service to explain to you lol I have played 6 tournaments I have cashed out 2 times and have lost 200 dollars (playing tipsy) Honestly I purposely lost on my first trip, it sounds crazy but I wanted to experience being humiliated by playing ridiculous hands so I could feel the worst. I shoved 54 suited preflop and got called by Aces and the whole room laughed at me. I got it out of the way and it was hilarious. Call it a silly investment, but to me it was worth it to strengthen my mental game.

lol, You can talk, portuguese, spanish, french and german, but I rather English.
lol, I understood every word, no translator needed. You just reapeted once more.
So many words, to say nothing. Can't you say one number instead?
Let me try one more time, at Live poker how much do you do? yearly talking business.

Pokerstudy · Mar 17, 2022

WellAA said:
lol, You can talk, portuguese, spanish, french and german, but I rather English.
lol, I understood every word, no translator needed. You just reapeted once more.
So many words, to say nothing. Can't you say one number instead?
Let me try one more time, at Live poker how much do you do? yearly talking business.

It is absolutely impossible to communicate with you, no offense. I can’t be any more clear that I have only played six live tournaments so far.

Here, I am wrong you are right, let’s just not chat

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

Pokerstudy said:
I enjoy a Mcdonalds breakfast, and I usually see the good man sweeping outside as I am through the drive though, I would like to show your poker stats to compare to his hourly wage in US dollars, just to let him know what he is missing out on. Can you provide that info, since you are confident in what you are doing? Just show stats of unregulated poker site earnings vs working an hourly job in USA. We can compare regulated sites another time, lets start basic and keep it simple, since you are doing well in online poker We can compare higher wages later.

I am guessing he pulls in 22-30k a year, do you have a way to show you make more than that? I am sure he would be interested.

If you can't, he may be pissed off he is taking time away from scooping up garbage that takes away from him earning real money. Let's not let him down

I want to pitch the idea to him first by throwing out a number for a yearly salary (which is only fair), so what do you make a year playing unregulated sites? I don't want him to think he is being scammed while actually working and need to pitch the idea of what you make to intrigue him to listen.

Pokerstudy said:
We want to see the first person to make real money from unregulated sites, and he may not be the one to do that...

Sorry folks, may need to just keep trying to be "the one"

Can anyone prove they make more than the guy sweeping up crap outside a McDonalds parking lot in USA by playing Poker from an Unregulated Illegal poker site?

Hello, The topic deals with another subject, if you want you can create a topic about profits on unregulated sites

gustavofuentes2 said:
That sounds really good. I have had moments that I could swear that the person I am playing against knows what is going to come out. Just recently I got beat Holding pocket A's. The person goes all in pre-flop, of course I go all in, the flop is 662, well the person is holding 62 off suit, needless to say it was upsetting. Of course, I didn't hit on turn or river.

Hi, thank you for your reply. But that's not about it, the topic isn't even about that. People don't see the faces the topic is about the algorithm and its fairness. So we will have real examples if equity is performing as it should

luckyhenri said:
Online poker is so frustrating, it makes me so paranoid knowing that there are teams who play using voice in discord or teamspeak or something similar talking about what cards they have and sticking together, it's such a cheat, solo players can't manage at all unless uber lucky.

My dear, this is true. about a year and a half ago I joined a team but it didn't last a week, after I was offered a ghost for a tournament final I disagreed and left the team. This is unthinkable to me and it takes away the magic of poker. In the end my assumptions are on one side algorithms, on the other side rogues and on the other side bots. This has motivated me to try to shock and shake this market in some way even though I'm insignificant next to this industry I feel obligated to do my part, for real poker!

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

hello moderators

Could you do something about the pokerstudy member? he is deviating from the initial purpose of the post causing the post to lose quality.

mssmotilda · Mar 17, 2022

I still don't understand what poker rooms you will play in? But I still think it will be interesting to follow your posts.

Pokerstudy · Mar 17, 2022

I Live Poker said:
Could you do something about the pokerstudy member? he is deviating from the initial purpose of the post causing the post to lose quality.

I apologize in America with free speech we get in the habit of having conversations that turn into other topics, not intentionally. Sorry to not have the conversation go directly the way you want it lol

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

mssmotilda said:
I still don't understand what poker rooms you will play in? But I still think it will be interesting to follow your posts.

at first I will not disclose the rooms , my aim is not to harm anyone but to show that they are not dealing with addicted idiots who accept everything they want for a few crumbs . The prerogative of hearing , and of oversight , certainly makes things better . And also in a second hypothesis, the best one will make me prove to them that there really are no problems in the RNGs, thus increasing their trust between aspirants like me and some others.

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

Pokerstudy said:
I apologize in America with free speech we get in the habit of having conversations that turn into other topics, not intentionally. Sorry to not have the conversation go directly the way you want it lol

That's not it my friend, it's not the way I want it. It's just what the theme asks for. You are completely getting off the topic that is about equity doubts. I can create another topic with more exactness if the point of this one is not clear.
let it be clear that I have nothing against you, but you are disturbing the progress and also causing other users to not be able to see the statistics, cluttering the topic with off topic messages

mina271 · Mar 17, 2022

I Live Poker said:
That's not it my friend, it's not the way I want it. It's just what the theme asks for. You are completely getting off the topic that is about equity doubts. I can create another topic with more exactness if the point of this one is not clear.
let it be clear that I have nothing against you, but you are disturbing the progress and also causing other users to not be able to see the statistics, cluttering the topic with off topic messages

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you and I think that you really do your best to write a very valuable topic and that only people who also follow the topic should write about this topic. If you want to say something else or have a different topic in mind, you can write a different one. It's not about shutting someone up, it's about showing respect for other people who speak their minds. You don't always have to agree with what is said, but I don't think it's nice to then try to steer the topic in a different direction. I wish you continued success in your investigations and I hope you find your answers

Pokerstudy · Mar 17, 2022

I Live Poker said:
Could you do something about the pokerstudy member? he is deviating from the initial purpose of the post causing the post to lose quality.

You can have them deleted or moved, I dont care, I am not trying to troll your post, if someone asks me a question I am going to answer it. I responded about unregulated online poker, which is part of the topic but the conversation shifted, not on purpose. That is just what happens in conversations, at least the conversations I have do. Like I said just ask the mods to delete them if it bothers you

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

mina271 said:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you and I think that you really do your best to write a very valuable topic and that only people who also follow the topic should write about this topic. If you want to say something else or have a different topic in mind, you can write a different one. It's not about shutting someone up, it's about showing respect for other people who speak their minds. You don't always have to agree with what is said, but I don't think it's nice to then try to steer the topic in a different direction. I wish you continued success in your investigations and I hope you find your answers

thanks a lot for the support!

gustavofuentes2 · Mar 17, 2022

Sorry if I offended you. But I thought the purpose of the the research you want to do is to find out as to whether or not the sites are the sites are cheating. Giving unfair advantages to some players allowing them to see what cards are going to come out and what cards you are holding. Sorry for my mistake.

Polytarp · Mar 17, 2022

Pokerstudy said:
No I am not struggling, I am exactly where I expected to be at this phase and cashing out in tournaments. I can’t gauge success by 6 tournaments, it takes time and volume, but I am not sure you understand that.

Even the best tournament pros lose 80% of the time, they are not “struggling” by losing that often either. The cash outs make up for the loses, I don’t have the energy to explain basics to you man…

I see that you have chosen your words well. Using words like entropy and names like Kelly would have been one-two punches. The CC small stake course is helpful and the MIT OCW for 2015/16 will also help anyone who needs an expanded perspective or appreciation of Hold'em. When someone can wrap their heads around all the other poker games out there and play them better than average then such people aren't "one trick ponies" and can ride a HORSE.

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

gustavofuentes2 said:
Sorry if I offended you. But I thought the purpose of the the research you want to do is to find out as to whether or not the sites are the sites are cheating. Giving unfair advantages to some players allowing them to see what cards are going to come out and what cards you are holding. Sorry for my mistake.

No, you didn't offend me, my dear! I just mentioned that it's not something as obvious as seeing the cards, or even cheating. I just want to say that we cannot make unfounded assumptions and harm sites without having concrete evidence of some wrongdoing. As I mentioned I have my impressions and my assumptions and I'm looking for answers. through science, or mathematics if you prefer. there is never an absolute truth, but a cutting-edge truth that is sustained until another cutting-edge truth takes its place through given facts and research.

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eniseysmail · Mar 17, 2022

I'm probably like many will be interested in the result of your analysis of the game. And also what conclusions you will draw from this later.

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

eniseysmail said:
I'm probably like many will be interested in the result of your analysis of the game. And also what conclusions you will draw from this later.

yes I also love putting together these puzzles, and I love math. because I previously worked with topography, music, and my first job as an intern at age 17 was in a stock control with survey and data crossing in a gigantic hardware!
But this will take a lot of time the data collection by hand is tedious, the cool part is the assembly and calculation!

I'm doing this for everyone! because it will probably only hurt me in online poker.

eniseysmail · Mar 17, 2022

I Live Poker said:
yes I also love putting together these puzzles, and I love math. because I previously worked with topography, music, and my first job as an intern at age 17 was in a stock control with survey and data crossing in a gigantic hardware!
But this will take a lot of time the data collection by hand is tedious, the cool part is the assembly and calculation!

I'm doing this for everyone! because it will probably only hurt me in online poker.

I do not think that this can hurt, on the contrary, it may change the attitude towards the game for the better.
In any case, we will wait for the result. You are serious about this.

I Live Poker · Mar 17, 2022

eniseysmail said:
I do not think that this can hurt, on the contrary, it may change the attitude towards the game for the better.
In any case, we will wait for the result. You are serious about this.

yes, I think of both, but I referred to harming myself in the sense of being labeled a fool, or even losing the support of people who blindly believe in all kinds of information that are offered to them.

bethqueen · Mar 17, 2022

I would love to follow you and see what it would help to give, it certainly goes a lot to the community. If you share it on youtube, leave the link here for us to follow so we can see it closer. I found your idea very interesting!

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