Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
How much money have you made from playing online? Can you show a bank statement?
online poker is a scam, wake up. Play live.
How much money have you made from playing online? Can you show a bank statement?
online poker is a scam, wake up. Play live.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
I have already won a lot and withdrawn a lot but I would never show my bank statement to you, I never even showed it to my ex-wife!
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
From an unregulated site?I have already won a lot and withdrawn a lot but I would never show my bank statement to you, I never even showed it to my ex-wife!
Like I said, I have never played a regulated site.
Did you cash out from an unregulated site? Are you making money? Talk about how much you are making?
You would be the first ever to prove it, can you do that?
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
My friend I know what you are doing, but I'm sorry this post is not about that if you want to talk about other topics outside this post you can call me private
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I am talking about proving money you make from an unregulated site(s)...just talk casual about the money you are making, no need to provide proff. How much do you make from unregulated sites?My friend I know what you are doing, but I'm sorry this post is not about that if you want to talk about other topics outside this post you can call me private
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
quality update :Online poker equity study guidelines.
just so as not to detract from the topic and who is interested in seeing the ral subject of the topic. tomorrow I will post updates with more data
hands will be selected by the following criteria:
1* Hands with no losses or gains
2 * Hands won without show dawn
3* Lost hands without showdawn:
4 * Hands won at the show dawn
5* Lost Hands at the show dawn
6* Hands that were ahead and equity held
7* Hands that was behind and equity held
8* Hands that was in front and lost
9 * Hands that was behind and won
10*Total flips played
11* flip coin situations I missed
12*Flip Coin Situations I've Won
13*Tie or split equity hands
*Considering from 56% to 99% as hands I was in front, thus doing after large sampling the average margin of the % I was ahead. Applying the same formula for inverse situations. That is: hands that I was behind with the inverse parameter that I would have 44% or less of chances.
*Flip situations will be considered between 45% to 55% for both parties, also making a final average just to ensure that this item is in the 50/50 margin in a large sample. (Note some hands that are genuine flips show an oscillation in the hud between 56% and 55% of equity or between 44% and 45% but they will be calculated correctly with detail and screenshots proving except cases of flip coin that block like TT vs AKo for example, but in this case the equity exceeds the threshold of even 56%)
*I will take screenshots of all situations in the hud except for items 1;2;3;4;5 because there is not much need. However, the database will always be available for the purpose of authenticity of the study, free from trends or deviations.
* Total hands won in show dawn item 4 include tie hands that appear as wins on the HUD and also split equity hands such as 33/33/33/3-handed or 25/25/25/25/4-handed for example. therefore, there may be a discrepancy in the sum of items 6;7;8;9;10 , not matching the total number of hands involving show dawn , so we will use the total sum or crossing of such items among themselves to determine the comparative parameter.
*The most relevant items for research on equity are items: 6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13. Therefore, items: 1;2;3;4;5 will be for personal use or only for purposes of evidence or later use if necessary comparisons.
*New parameters and criteria may be added according to the need of the study, in order to determine and collect data with greater precision and detail, thus being able to add new criteria during the course of the study.
*Flip coins are easier and can be compared with each other in a large sample, having to be as close to 50/50 or the final calculated average.
*The sum of hands without losses and gains + hands won without show dawn + hands lost without show dawn + hands won at show dawn + hands lost at show dawn is = the total number of hands. (for mathematical authenticity purposes) real proof
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus items 6;7;8;9;10 is equal to item 13.
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus Item 13 minus item 10 is equal to the comparison ceiling for items 6;7;8;9 or , the sum of items 6;7;8;9 is equal to the ceiling of comparison of the isolated mesos.
*The sum of items *4 and *5 is the total margin of hands for the show dawn, ie 100%. Where inside are all the situations of items 6;7;8;9;10 serving as a ceiling for proportional comparison of the same.
*The sum of items 6;7 is equal to the total number of hands that equity held. as it should.
*The sum of items 8;9 is equal to the total number of hands that equity was reversed.
*The sum of items 6 and 9 is equal to 100% of the showdans I won (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*The sum of items 7 and 8 is equal to the show dawns I lost (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*It is possible to add the number of chips involved in items 8;9, thus being able to describe the amount of chips lost and won in each situation (how much we lose when we are ahead and equity is reversed and how much we gain when we are behind and equity is reversed.
*The street to street equity will also be determined later separately using the same parameters.
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There are people who are so poor, but so poor that the only thing they have is money.
just so as not to detract from the topic and who is interested in seeing the ral subject of the topic. tomorrow I will post updates with more data
hands will be selected by the following criteria:
1* Hands with no losses or gains
2 * Hands won without show dawn
3* Lost hands without showdawn:
4 * Hands won at the show dawn
5* Lost Hands at the show dawn
6* Hands that were ahead and equity held
7* Hands that was behind and equity held
8* Hands that was in front and lost
9 * Hands that was behind and won
10*Total flips played
11* flip coin situations I missed
12*Flip Coin Situations I've Won
13*Tie or split equity hands
*Considering from 56% to 99% as hands I was in front, thus doing after large sampling the average margin of the % I was ahead. Applying the same formula for inverse situations. That is: hands that I was behind with the inverse parameter that I would have 44% or less of chances.
*Flip situations will be considered between 45% to 55% for both parties, also making a final average just to ensure that this item is in the 50/50 margin in a large sample. (Note some hands that are genuine flips show an oscillation in the hud between 56% and 55% of equity or between 44% and 45% but they will be calculated correctly with detail and screenshots proving except cases of flip coin that block like TT vs AKo for example, but in this case the equity exceeds the threshold of even 56%)
*I will take screenshots of all situations in the hud except for items 1;2;3;4;5 because there is not much need. However, the database will always be available for the purpose of authenticity of the study, free from trends or deviations.
* Total hands won in show dawn item 4 include tie hands that appear as wins on the HUD and also split equity hands such as 33/33/33/3-handed or 25/25/25/25/4-handed for example. therefore, there may be a discrepancy in the sum of items 6;7;8;9;10 , not matching the total number of hands involving show dawn , so we will use the total sum or crossing of such items among themselves to determine the comparative parameter.
*The most relevant items for research on equity are items: 6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13. Therefore, items: 1;2;3;4;5 will be for personal use or only for purposes of evidence or later use if necessary comparisons.
*New parameters and criteria may be added according to the need of the study, in order to determine and collect data with greater precision and detail, thus being able to add new criteria during the course of the study.
*Flip coins are easier and can be compared with each other in a large sample, having to be as close to 50/50 or the final calculated average.
*The sum of hands without losses and gains + hands won without show dawn + hands lost without show dawn + hands won at show dawn + hands lost at show dawn is = the total number of hands. (for mathematical authenticity purposes) real proof
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus items 6;7;8;9;10 is equal to item 13.
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus Item 13 minus item 10 is equal to the comparison ceiling for items 6;7;8;9 or , the sum of items 6;7;8;9 is equal to the ceiling of comparison of the isolated mesos.
*The sum of items *4 and *5 is the total margin of hands for the show dawn, ie 100%. Where inside are all the situations of items 6;7;8;9;10 serving as a ceiling for proportional comparison of the same.
*The sum of items 6;7 is equal to the total number of hands that equity held. as it should.
*The sum of items 8;9 is equal to the total number of hands that equity was reversed.
*The sum of items 6 and 9 is equal to 100% of the showdans I won (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*The sum of items 7 and 8 is equal to the show dawns I lost (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*It is possible to add the number of chips involved in items 8;9, thus being able to describe the amount of chips lost and won in each situation (how much we lose when we are ahead and equity is reversed and how much we gain when we are behind and equity is reversed.
*The street to street equity will also be determined later separately using the same parameters.
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There are people who are so poor, but so poor that the only thing they have is money.
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
We want to see the first person to make real money from unregulated sites, and he may not be the one to do that...
Sorry folks, may need to just keep trying to be "the one"
Can anyone prove they make more than the guy sweeping up crap outside a McDonalds parking lot in USA by playing Poker from an Unregulated Illegal poker site?
Sorry folks, may need to just keep trying to be "the one"
Can anyone prove they make more than the guy sweeping up crap outside a McDonalds parking lot in USA by playing Poker from an Unregulated Illegal poker site?
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Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I enjoy a Mcdonalds breakfast, and I usually see the good man sweeping outside as I am through the drive though, I would like to show your poker stats to compare to his hourly wage in US dollars, just to let him know what he is missing out on. Can you provide that info, since you are confident in what you are doing? Just show stats of unregulated poker site earnings vs working an hourly job in USA. We can compare regulated sites another time, lets start basic and keep it simple, since you are doing well in online pokerMy friend I know what you are doing, but I'm sorry this post is not about that if you want to talk about other topics outside this post you can call me private
We can compare higher wages later.I am guessing he pulls in 22-30k a year, do you have a way to show you make more than that? I am sure he would be interested.
If you can't, he may be pissed off he is taking time away from scooping up garbage that takes away from him earning real money. Let's not let him down
I want to pitch the idea to him first by throwing out a number for a yearly salary (which is only fair), so what do you make a year playing unregulated sites? I don't want him to think he is being scammed while actually working and need to pitch the idea of what you make to intrigue him to listen.
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
Show a bank statement? what a joke. lol
I see you have a online poker problem.
How much do you do at live poker? ( no need to show a bank statement) lol
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
I enjoy a Mcdonalds breakfast, and I usually see the good man sweeping outside as I am through the drive though, I would like to show your poker stats to compare to his hourly wage in US dollars, just to let him know what he is missing out on. Can you provide that info, since you are confident in what you are doing? Just show stats of unregulated poker site earnings vs working an hourly job in USA. We can compare regulated sites another time, lets start basic and keep it simple, since you are doing well in online poker
I am guessing he pulls in 22-30k a year, do you have a way to show you make more than that? I am sure he would be interested.
If you can't, he may be pissed off he is taking time away from scooping up garbage that takes away from him earning real money. Let's not let him down
What do you mean by
I want to pitch the idea to him first by throwing out a number for a yearly salary (which is only fair), so what do you make a year playing unregulated sites? I don't want him to think he is being scammed while actually working and need to pitch the idea of what you make to intrigue him to listen.
What do you mean by unregulated poker?
A new kind one, better than omaha? lol
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
gustavofuentes2
Visionary
Platinum Level
That sounds really good. I have had moments that I could swear that the person I am playing against knows what is going to come out. Just recently I got beat Holding pocket A's. The person goes all in pre-flop, of course I go all in, the flop is 662, well the person is holding 62 off suit, needless to say it was upsetting. Of course, I didn't hit on turn or river.
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I am down 200 dollars total over playing 6 tournaments but am improving, (actually had too much booze and was all over the place where I lost 200 lol) it is an investment and over time I plan or hope to win more and more, Poker is a long ball game. Some pros don’t make a positive return for years, but eventually cash out big to make up for it. I can win multiple tournaments from unregulated sites, but when I go to cash out I will lose every time after I initiate trying to cash out. I just want to see someone making a living from unregulated sites…each site when I go to cash out, I always lose, or if I somehow slip by and cash out I will lose nonstop for months from that site thereafter..the site computer algorithms make sure of it.
Btw even the best pros at live tournaments only win 17% to 18% of the time, like I said, tournament poker is playing the long game. Anyone that thinks they win more often then that is completely delusional lol
The unregulated sites can be fun, I am not knocking the entertainment aspect of the sites, but can you make a living from them? I just want to hear from someone that does that has proof of actual cash outs (real money in hand) that make it worthwhile as a career.
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
Can't you answer a straight question? stop beating around the bush.
How much do you do at live poker?
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I just told you…?
luckyhenri
Rock Star
Silver Level
Online poker is so frustrating, it makes me so paranoid knowing that there are teams who play using voice in discord or teamspeak or something similar talking about what cards they have and sticking together, it's such a cheat, solo players can't manage at all unless uber lucky.
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
There is so much going on behind the scenes such as bots, algorithms, possible super users, collusion like you said through discord or ventrilo (Vent), list goes on and on. BUT the sites are still fun to play on IMO
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jretired
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I've played pokerstars since I retired.Twice I've been given back money because they have deemed cheating in games I played hands in.I don't fear cheating,it happens in live games also.If you sense something wrong move on.
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I would love to play pokerstars one day, even thought about taking a trip to Playa Del Carmen just to play(and of course vacation
) , but you need to prove your a resident of mexico just to play. Very frustrating. Don’t want to just play the regulated American pokerstars (plus I would much rather be in Las Vegas playing live than New Jersey playing online lol), I want to play the regulated ‘international’ site with the huge player pool.It really is ridiculous Pokerstars is not in Nevada…
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
I would love to play pokerstars one day, even thought about taking a trip to Playa Del Carmen just to play(and of course vacation
Pokerstars for sure it's a good way to study! Much difficult to play on-line than live, don't You think? You just told us that You are negative Live isn't it?
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
Yes I am down 200 over 6 tournaments. I calculate money I win over a years time or even many years time. It is normal to lose more in tournament poker then to win, but the large cash outs make up for the loses, which is what I am doing over time.
I can’t play Pokerstars, you should read what I write a little more closely so I don’t have to repeat myself to you man lol
Hold on, I am getting a call from someone else I can’t understand lol
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
I guess You're playing Cash, when rigged, isn't it?
Do you play tournaments? isn't it much difficult cheating at tournaments?
Do you win more Live or on-line?
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mclay
Visionary
Platinum Level
It’s a pity that I don’t know Portuguese, but it’s a great idea, good luck to you and more subscribers!Hello everyone! For those who do not know me, I am Vitor Hugo and I am generally very controversial in my posts. During the time that I have participated in cardschat I have always raised very controversial and delicate issues, however my doubts about online poker have hindered my evolution as if I had a mental barrier.
It was then that I had this idea: Since yesterday I started recording my whole game, for study purposes and also for comparison with the real equity of the game (see if what happens at the online tables is really mathematical)
From this weekend I will start posting everything on my youtube channel showing the good and bad moments. Also some victories if poker allows, this will serve for the purposes of registration and also for comparison as I mentioned above in order to show what really happens.
Hug to everyone!
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WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
You misunderstood once more.
You said " I would love to play pokerstars one day". I just told you are going to do a more difficult thing, at live Poker You're struggling isn' it?
Professional players that I know, They go along very well, buy cars, houses etc. with just playing poker.
I know some "talkers professionals" that just borrows from everybody, and struggle to survive. sometime ago I got a winning season, they come to me saying, now you're professional, lend me some $, you need to invest on me I'll give You big ROI. I told them when I get 3 years straight winning more than 7 figures I'll consider it so.
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Shay
Rock Star
Silver Level
Are u saying pokerstars is the hardest site? Why? What u think of the others?