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Message: [QUOTE="Jesus Lederer, post: 398011, member: 3283"] I agree with the main point you are trying to say gj, but i think that your extreme example was too much extreme. You must try, if it´s possible, to make your big decisions while you hold a very strong hand and you know you have a good advantage. You don´t need to be gambling because the blinds won´t grow and you can stay at the table all the time you want. When i say that you must exploit your opponent´s weakness by making big moves while you have a very good edge, and not a slight one, i´m talking about NL, because in limit i think that the story is completely different, and there the key to be a winning player is to exploit those little edges you have (FP can correct me if i´m wrong). That´s the reason of why i think that in the example you gave you must call. A push like that (althought it would be very weird) probably means a big pp that doesn´t want to see the flop (lets say it´s QQ). In that situation you are 80% favourite, which is one of those big edges you want to take advantage of. Think about this: Lets say you have JQ and the flop comes KT9. You have the nut straight (and there isn´t flush draw) and you bet the pot. Your opponent goes all in (a huge overbet like the one in your example). Do you call? If the answer is yes, then i don´t know why you don´t want to call with those AA preflop, because when you called with your straight the opponent showed 99, which makes you a 65% favourite. Even if he showed two pair you would be 80% favourite, which is the same as the AA preflop situation. But if your answer was no, then i don´t understand when do you think it´s correct to make a big call. Is it correct only when you have the absolute nuts? In my opinion making the call with AA in the situation you said IS a sure thing, it doesn´t matter if i had an investment in the pot or not. Anyway i agree with you that cash game is very different than tourneys, and you must be the guy who gets a whole stack by calling with a set against top pair and not viceversa. One pair isn´t enough to fight a big pot, but when you know you are big favourite you must take advantage of it, especially if you have a big pocket pair preflop. There´s another point that i disagree with you gj. You said that it would be a different story if you had some investment in the pot. What i understood from that, is that if you commit chips to the pot with a big pocket pair you must continue until the end, and in my opinion it´s completely different. If you decide to keep fighting with the big pp no matter what comes (especially with a coordinated board), then the only thing you´re doing is giving huge implied odds and you´re going to pay big your opponents when they hit their sets, straights or flushes. Making as much money as you can while putting as little of your money at risk as possible sounds to me like a contradiction. To win a lot of money you need to risk a lot of money, but please note that when i say "risk" i´m just refering to the money you must push into the pot, and not to the odds of you winning the hand, which must be huge to make a huge decision. [/QUOTE]

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