Incredible hands and rows of bad beats at Pokerstars

terryk · Mar 12, 2021

We all get the same cards and run-outs,,,you have to overcome these or suffer them,,your choice. :deal:

Uranus · Mar 13, 2021

Yeah... I still manage to make a deal in that tournament, split 50-50% on last 2 players.

That one who make the queens quads, finished on 4th.

Adi8877 · Mar 13, 2021

Austria7 said:
Hi folks, I'd like to hear what you think about the satellite tournaments at Pokerstars. I think the idea is really great, but I currently have a really big misunderstanding with the hands and the distribution of cards at Pokerstars. In the satellite tournaments and turbo sit and go tournaments in particular, unbelievable hand constellations take place. Although I currently play an extremely tight push range as a short stack and watching and analyzing my opponents accurately, I haven't really managed to play a single time in the prize money area - not just today. Here is a small selection of hands and what happen on the board that look like "unreal". I know about the variance, losing streaks and down swings and that the best hand preflop is not always the best hand on the river.

Still, I wonder if it makes sense to play at Pokerstars or if it is a waste of time, money and energy when such "incredible hands" and bad beats become standard. There are ALWAYS 3 or 4 players with good hands involved in such a push situation. I'm not talking about the happening of a single bad beat, but about the series and, above all, the unbelievable meeting of the hands at Pokerstars tables.

Another not unimportant note: I do not make ongoing deposits but try to increase my small bankroll via strict risk management - so I'm a rather bad customer of Pokerstars.

What do you think? By the way ... Hero is "URBRÖSEL".

These are not bad beats, that's entirely different. This is just part of the micro stakes, especially sats. Most of the players have in their mind they can have 4-5 rebuy or next chance at least, to get in the prize, plenty play it for fun, as these are turbos or hypers mostly, you can't apply anything what you thought you 'studied', read about generally poker. Find out how to play, obviously playing tight from the beginning is not a winner strategy, you must take much more risk, and depend on luck. In the last phase 5-10 players to go, till the prize, maybe you can play tighter, but not tight, as the blinds eat you anyway...

You should recognize what type of game you play. If you want to play sats in a tight style go find 5-10$+ reg cost deep stack sats, there is a tighter play, so your way to play poker probably pays out there, but on turbos, hypers playing tight is a waste of money and time, as it is not that game....

Austria7 · Mar 16, 2021

Uranus said:
This exactly my situation too, now.

Hi Uranus, thanks for your post. We are both in a somewhat desperate situation and we are currently on a losing streak that does not want to end. Therefore I would like to tell you how I deal with this streak of bad luck.

1) I accept the streak of bad luck because I can't change it anyway. Alternatively, I could stop playing poker if I didn't enjoy it anymore.

2) I only play when I feel good and enjoy the game. There is no point in playing in frustration - it should be fun even when it is about money.

3) I play smaller stakes and levels in the losing streak and risk less to protect my bankroll and to minimize frustration myself. If I risked more, I would lose more of my bankroll, which would further frustrate me emotionally.

4) I play less poker. On the one hand, it also protects my bankroll because fewer bets lead to fewer losses. Other positive aspects: I can analyze fewer tournaments better, which makes it easier to rethink possible mistakes and come up with new tactics. I also run less of a risk of becoming addicted to games because I have clear rules about the number of tournaments or the time at the poker table ... that's how I control the game and not the other way around. I also have time for other activities that are just as important (and even more important) as playing poker.

I believe there are other ways and methods of overcoming your losing streak without completely destroying your bankroll. What is your opinion or how do you deal with the streak of bad luck?

Austria7 · Mar 16, 2021

Uranus said:
Just an example: Omaha Hi-low, Allin on TURN

Yes, the coming together of good hands is sometimes really incredible. On the other hand, it is exactly what action is in a poker hand. If the opponent had nothing but a bluff in his hand, he would be exposed in no time and would also lose a lot of money very quickly and then stop playing poker. So for a poker hand you not only need a strong hand but also an opponent with a strong hand as well.

In order to analyze the hand it is advisable to put yourself in the position of your opponent. Wouldn't you continued to play on the flop with the queen high flushdraw and middle pair and bottom pair. Also on the turn you would still have a lot of outs if the opponent (in this case yourself) has a higher set (which actually is the case). Would you have folded the set queens in an all-in situation with all the outs?

In my opinion, you got the hand right played, as did your opponent. He was just lucky that he got exactly the fourth queen. Keep playing ... with the better hand all your chips were pushed into the middle - that's good poker. Take a screenshot of this hand and archive it in the folder "Worst poker hands" and create a folder with the "Best Poker Hands" at the same time.

Note: Fall down - get up - straighten the crown - walk on! Good luck buddy.

Austria7 · Mar 16, 2021

terryk said:
We all get the same cards and run-outs,,,you have to overcome these or suffer them,,your choice. :deal:

Yes, these are wise words. Briefly explained and brought to the point. But sometimes it's easier said than done, right?

Austria7 · Mar 16, 2021

terryk said:
Tournaments aren't won in the first hour ...

That is truly wise advice - and it is true. Rome wasn't built in a single day either.

Uranus · Mar 19, 2021

Another one: allin on flop.

Joe1 · Mar 19, 2021

It's a shame that you have to lose such a beautiful hand

Uranus · Mar 19, 2021

Yeah... and another hand, a few minutes distance: Allin preflop:

fundiver199 · Mar 20, 2021

Uranus said:
Yeah... and another hand, a few minutes distance: Allin preflop:

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If I read the situation correctly it must have been Hero open jamming for around 14BB preflop with 33 from HJ, and then Villain called with AQo in CO. Both those actions are completely standard, and the situation is known as a coinflip, since both players have close to 50% equity. My advice is to not get hung up on the outcome of coinflips, because they are going to be a wash in the long run.

Also it especially does not matter, who was ahead on the flop, because when its all in preflop, there are 5 cards to come not 3, and all possible runouts are baked into the math already. If a hand like this upsets you or make you think, there is anything wrong with the RNG, then honestly poker is not the game for you, and you should withdraw all your funds and never play again.

Uranus · Mar 20, 2021

Its not that hand that upsets me. Its this kind of hand (a fresh one):

Uranus · Mar 20, 2021

And another. Luck for me it is hi-low.

Austria7 · Mar 20, 2021

Uranus said:
Its not that hand that upsets me. Its this kind of hand (a fresh one):

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Wow. Yes, I think you know exactly what I meant by my thread starter comment and my initial anger about it. Your hands are really what I once summarized as "incredible". Of course, hands like that happen at some point, and that's okay, but when such "not foldable hands" clash so often it feels at least "very weird". I think you can actually get so on tilt from the frequent occurrence of such "unbelievable game situations" that you can no longer recover from it and actually stop playing poker at some point, especially if you play relatively solid poker and have lost most of your bankroll. On the other hand: The variance means that these hands are dealt to your opponents ... and than you are the winner.

Victor 266 · Jul 19, 2023

fundiver199 said:
There is nothing strange about those hands at all. When you are all-in preflop in a 4-way pot, you are only going to win 1 out of 4 on average give or take. So losing 3 in a row, if that is, what happened, is totally normal. Depending on stacks sizes, and who went in first, its not even like, your opponents in those hands stacked off particularly light. Maybe there were a few questionable calls or pushes, but thats to be expected, when you are playing for pennies.

Actually in the first one, where you had AQs, it seems like, stacks were 200BB deep, and then you are making a big mistake as well. AQs is not a hand, you want to get all in preflop for that many blinds, and especially not against multible opponents. Two of them had better hands, so you were in terrible shape, and in that hand you were actually one of the "fish", who stacked off incorrectly.

The main issue however is, you are playing turbo and hyper turbo games, where stacks then to get very short, and then there are going to be a lot of all-in preflop situations, including a decent amount that goes multiway. And its just not a format, which allow skill edges to really show. So if you want to play "real poker", then move to cash games or regular speed tournaments instead. Even the 10 min blind interval SnGs gives you quite a lot more play already.

And get this silly idea out of your head, that the games are somehow rigged, and that PokerStars care, if you make regular deposits or withdraw or whatever. They are not risking their entire multi million dollar business to rig the deck in your 1,1$ satellites. They dont care, who win or lose in those. They only care to keep the gravy train running and collect the rake money.

In 30 tournments i lost 25 and got to the final 10 players in 5, lost 30€ in two weeks, ar the same time at 888 i triple my money, playing the same way,not saying ir can't happen, but is suspiccious.

dreamer13 · Jul 19, 2023

Playing for money at pokerstars is a waste of money and time, I only play freerolls there.Bots, superusers (PROVEN!) Managed towards the profit of the RNG poker room.

Sunz of Beaches · Jul 19, 2023

dreamer13 said:
Playing for money at pokerstars is a waste of money and time, I only play freerolls there.Bots, superusers (PROVEN!) Managed towards the profit of the RNG poker room.

There are and were no proven superusers at pokerstars . Pokerstars has one of the best game securitys and highest game integrities in the whole industry. I also really doubt that there are bots on stars. RNG there is tested and in millions of hands played by thousands of players there was nothing suspicious.

Yes for u its definitely a waste of money and time because u cant play proper poker. That already becomes evident by reading ur forum posts (no offense!)

Cardschat is a great site to learn, there are many courses here and in ur case i would start from the very bottom with the beginner course.

Good luck.

Sunz of Beaches · Jul 19, 2023

Victor 266 said:
In 30 tournments i lost 25 and got to the final 10 players in 5, lost 30€ in two weeks, ar the same time at 888 i triple my money, playing the same way,not saying ir can't happen, but is suspiccious.

30 tournaments are absolutely nothing. Read about samplesize in poker. U need thousands of tournaments to determine anything.

Victor 266 · Jul 21, 2023

Suns of Beaches said:
30 tournaments are absolutely nothing. Read about samplesize in poker. U need thousands of tournaments to determine anything.

You right, i was upset

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