Pokerstars bots

RUMACASTILLO · Oct 6, 2018

I don't think so,pokerstars os the best detecting bots.

VIP_TARIFF · Oct 6, 2018

NWPatriot said:
Check out https://neopokerlab.com/.

Apparently sites may use bots to fill tables to get games going sooner rather than later. Apparently bots are for sale.
Apparently people make a living at this.

Just saying....

there is nothing to comment on, dear friend, I did not even know that such sites existed.

Martin Carreira · Oct 8, 2018

It is a very good point to be able to beat all the opponents and even bots ahahah. It has happened to me to play very incredible hands and to think about not playing more in Pokerstars but poker is poker, everything can happen. Even that there are bots hahaha

finaltable1 · Oct 8, 2018

If you're sitting there at your poker table and you're playing poker by waiting for JJ+ and AQ+ then why and who are you calling a robot? You've got a programmed cycle of actions, You are a robot.. breathing and food eating version.

crisco609 · Oct 8, 2018

Interesting thread, although I feel like some posts are no more than wild conspiracy theories. I know there are bots out there, but I think its crazy to believe there are PokerStar bots out there that have preselected winners, or bots that completely bypass security to the point that they are predicting the rng. They're profitable, and constantly improving, but I am genuinely curious to what extent and what the ratios look like... There's always that luck aspect in this game that bots can't completely beat. I'd love a good bot karma story like that where a bot ended up having the owner go broke.

David macdonald · Oct 9, 2018

crisco609 said:
Interesting thread, although I feel like some posts are no more than wild conspiracy theories. I know there are bots out there, but I think its crazy to believe there are PokerStar bots out there that have preselected winners, or bots that completely bypass security to the point that they are predicting the rng. They're profitable, and constantly improving, but I am genuinely curious to what extent and what the ratios look like... There's always that luck aspect in this game that bots can't completely beat. I'd love a good bot karma story like that where a bot ended up having the owner go broke.

Maybe we will have such a story here who knows.

demibar · Oct 9, 2018

Nice thread I am curious for response of PS of course all things about bots are possible... if you can't prove that it will be just a conspiracy theory.Anyway it will be a serious scandal for any poker room if someone have facts on fraud of bots ...

Gyry · Oct 9, 2018

David macdonald said:
Do you think the bots know the opponents hands?

if it knows hand no one never win

David macdonald · Oct 9, 2018

demibar said:
Nice thread I am curious for response of PS of course all things about bots are possible... if you can't prove that it will be just a conspiracy theory.Anyway it will be a serious scandal for any poker room if someone have facts on fraud of bots ...

They haven't responded to my email which I find strange, they usually always reply. I will send another email to see what's happening?

elizeuof · Oct 9, 2018

I believe that large poker rooms have tools that identify suspicious activities and eventually manage to take away some players that they may want to use some trick to gain from other players just as they punish those who use certain software or who have several accounts, and who are collusion players.

However, it should be noted that when a player chooses a less secure room, it is subject to greater risks, it is worth reading about the room, see its security policy, and take care of your account and security of your equipment as well, since a bad person can install some kind of malicious software on your equipment in order to gain access to your screen, and consequently to which cards you have, as well as being able to access your wallet and get your funds.

David macdonald · Oct 9, 2018

elizeuof said:
I believe that large poker rooms have tools that identify suspicious activities and eventually manage to take away some players that they may want to use some trick to gain from other players just as they punish those who use certain software or who have several accounts, and who are collusion players.

However, it should be noted that when a player chooses a less secure room, it is subject to greater risks, it is worth reading about the room, see its security policy, and take care of your account and security of your equipment as well, since a bad person can install some kind of malicious software on your equipment in order to gain access to your screen, and consequently to which cards you have, as well as being able to access your wallet and get your funds.

Of course the latter is obvious, well to me anyway

Gr34tWh1t3 · Oct 9, 2018

Man ... every time I see posts/threads like this I get so sick , disgusted that some people come to this .
Were is the fun and bragging going if you use a bot to farm I know some people care for money only but for me poker is more then that, the feeling that you beat a field of xxx nr of players to get there after so many hours gives some satisfaction using bots doesn't.
Plus I sort of getting scared to deposit again thinking some bots will take my money lol as every time I lost my rolls was on cash tables were I suppose they use this bots.

Poker Orifice · Oct 9, 2018

RennMeister said:
The house simply has their favorite players that they assign winning accounts to and guys that they assign losing accounts to.

So it doesn't matter how well we play the game? (or does our skill level affect what designation we receive from the pokersite?).
How do we get on the winning account list?
Do you know what % get on the winning list vs. what % gets put on the losing list?
What about the guys playing online who are professional players? Were they previously assigned to the winning list at some point in their careers? (were they pros before they got on the list?)

Poker Orifice · Oct 9, 2018

David macdonald said:
They haven't responded to my email which I find strange, they usually always reply. I will send another email to see what's happening?

Didn't they already warn you to stop emailing support about your badbeats? (you stated something of that nature earlier in this thread).

Do you understand how bots work? I'm no bot expert at all but have read occasional articles about them & no doubt they appear to play much better these days, typically playing GTO style poker. I"m actually certain they're even playing on the micro tables of FastForward, SPEED, RUSH, etc. tables. It doesn't mean they're not beatable.

As far as them 'seeing your holecards' goes... yah I HIGHLY doubt this. I mean if this was the case the poker community would be wise to it in short order.

What do you personally know about variance? It seems that much of your stuff is stemming from receiving some unbelievable bad beats & an article re: PLO bots on Stars from 3 years ago. Or are there some accounts you play vs. regularly that you suspet are bots? (why do you suspect them? ... is it because they put a badbeat on you?).

IMO, no doubt there are more bots in online poker these days... I'd just assume it's the natural progression of things online. I'd consider MTT's to be one's safest option to play in as far as bots go. But then to see so many responses in this thread who are blaming badbeats on bots just has me thinking those posts should be shipped to the Mega Thread

David macdonald · Oct 9, 2018

Poker Orifice said:
Didn't they already warn you to stop emailing support about your badbeats? (you stated something of that nature earlier in this thread).

Do you understand how bots work? I'm no bot expert at all but have read occasional articles about them & no doubt they appear to play much better these days, typically playing GTO style poker. I"m actually certain they're even playing on the micro tables of FastForward, SPEED, RUSH, etc. tables. It doesn't mean they're not beatable.

As far as them 'seeing your holecards' goes... yah I HIGHLY doubt this. I mean if this was the case the poker community would be wise to it in short order.

What do you personally know about variance? It seems that much of your stuff is stemming from receiving some unbelievable bad beats & an article re: PLO bots on Stars from 3 years ago. Or are there some accounts you play vs. regularly that you suspet are bots? (why do you suspect them? ... is it because they put a badbeat on you?).

IMO, no doubt there are more bots in online poker these days... I'd just assume it's the natural progression of things online. I'd consider MTT's to be one's safest option to play in as far as bots go. But then to see so many responses in this thread who are blaming badbeats on bots just has me thinking those posts should be shipped to the Mega Thread

It's not that I particularly believe 100% there's bots however I have an open mind. If I ever find evidence to prove it I will quit online poker. I just find the junglemans comments real and possibly true, I'm curious after several bad beats and yes I have started my own investigation, this thread is just to gather information and view the thought of others.

David macdonald · Oct 9, 2018

Gr34tWh1t3 said:
Man ... every time I see posts/threads like this I get so sick , disgusted that some people come to this .
Were is the fun and bragging going if you use a bot to farm I know some people care for money only but for me poker is more then that, the feeling that you beat a field of xxx nr of players to get there after so many hours gives some satisfaction using bots doesn't.
Plus I sort of getting scared to deposit again thinking some bots will take my money lol as every time I lost my rolls was on cash tables were I suppose they use this bots.

It's definitely possible bots are used more on cash tables, especially when you can make multiple accounts and use vpn

MrPokerVerse · Oct 9, 2018

David macdonald said:
It's not that I particularly believe 100% there's bots however I have an open mind. If I ever find evidence to prove it I will quit online poker. I just find the junglemans comments real and possibly true, I'm curious after several bad beats and yes I have started my own investigation, this thread is just to gather information and view the thought of others.

You are probably not going find much information here to e-mail off to prove anything. Every hand played has a record online. Seeing Jungleman play live, he seems to be looking for any excuse to pin on about anything.

Most people with this type of mentality towards online poker spend a lot wasted time talking, researching and worrying about it. Personally I'd rather spend it looking at my hand histories for useful information or reading a poker book to improve my game. There you are in control of how you perform rather than looking for something that isn't there.

Someone mentioned understanding variance, might be a good place to start.

David macdonald · Oct 11, 2018

This post is purely to view the opinion of others on bots

Poker Orifice · Oct 12, 2018

David macdonald said:
This post is purely to view the opinion of others on bots

David. The answer to your question "are there really bots online" is 100% YES! This doesn't give them the ability to put bad beats on you. If you're new'ish' to the game, the bots are likely the ones who are relentlessly attacking you with 3bets preflop &/or following up by double-barrelling on scarey boards (&/or boards they can represent as hitting their range based on the action (& on your's). They will 'outplay' you... not outdraw you. A bot doesn't play sh1t hands & hit miracle 2-outters on you.... or badbeat you. That sort of thing would be insinuating a 'rigged poker site' or a situation where holecards can be seen by a human (ie. Absolute Poker scandal re: Russ Hamilton many years ago "super user account"). Do you understand the difference?

Poker Orifice · Oct 12, 2018

David macdonald said:
It's definitely possible bots are used more on cash tables, especially when you can make multiple accounts and use vpn

"especially when you can make multiple accounts and use vpn" < How does this equate to this > definitely possible bots are used more on cash tables, ??
This statement by you sounds like you're now confusing 'collusion' (cheating) with a person using a BOT to play their account.

This is not the reason it might be more popular for people to use BOTs on cash tables instead of tournaments. Can you see what the reasons for this might be though? (hint: cash tables are more uniform ie. 100bb effective stacks so it'd be much easier to program in bet-sizing, 3betting from blinds vs. LP opens, squeeze plays from blinds vs. MP open & LP calling, etc. etc. etc. Very similiar scenarios present themselves regularly on cash tables whereas on tournament tables there are many variables that are constantly changing.
I'm not 100% that this could be the reason but I'm guessing it is. Also, anytime we hear of bots in the media, it's regarding cash game play.

dripa2008 · Oct 14, 2018

I think that all the same themselves in PokerStars use bots in order to fill the rooms, tournaments and create the illusion that a large number of players are playing. Often it happens that someone plays a very weak hand and at the same time puts his entire bank and wins in the end, I understand one or a couple of times per game, but not all the same distribution that he plays. !!!

8bod8 · Oct 14, 2018

ChipWinged said:
I want to put my 2 cents. I am sure about bots' existing on PS but don't know, is it PS' bots or players'. But!
I am sure about indicator when you play with bots - it's lagging in game.
At first, sound is asynchronous with actions (chip sound is earlier than action)
At second, on all-in there is freeze then momentually turn and river.
And surely, instant bets. Ok maybe it's modified client with special checkboxes like "check/fold", "call any" but where can I get this functions?
For me, bots are spoiling game. But now we can determine a bot postfactun only with researching of its statistics. I hope it will be solved.

Thanks!
This is easy to mimmick, so everybody thinks I'm a winning bot and folds whenever I bet.
Sounds like recipe for success for a humanoid (someone not smart, but stupid enough to pretend to be a bot).

ChipWinged · Oct 14, 2018

8bod8 said:
Thanks!
This is easy to mimmick, so everybody thinks I'm a winning bot and folds whenever I bet.
Sounds like recipe for success for a humanoid (someone not smart, but stupid enough to pretend to be a bot).

I didn't understand you enough because I didn't talk about bot's betting

.
I can't say that my words are true. But I am sure it's about bot because this lagging is not connection problems (all were 100% when I was checking it).
I'll repeat myself (maybe several times again): there is only one way to 100% win bot - just get away from this table. It's not cowardice, you can read here "part of bankroll managment". Keep in mind, good bot is always playing GTO. Are you sure you can win?

nop9gok · Oct 14, 2018

David macdonald said:
Doug polk and jungleman podcast discuss bots on stars, what do you guys think?
If it's true I'm not going to be happy having played on stars for 13 years, I have had alot of unbelievable bad beats and whenever I questioned stars integrity I was told I would be banned from the site. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yC710q2ohA

It is unlikely that the room uses bots, what's the point? they have a lot of money on the rail. If you find bots from the room then the reputation will suffer. Poker Stars is businessmen and it’s stupid to engage in fraud. Stupid people could not make the room the most famous, numerous. You can cheat anyone but not logic. Many companies, corporations are not rich in cash and reputation.

ZLMadPoKKer · Oct 14, 2018

About 3 years ago I realized that they could be using bots directly in the PS AI.
Just like you say I'm also disappointed with the PS for this.
GL on the games

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