Pokerstars bots

ChipWinged said:

I didn't understand you enough because I didn't talk about bot's betting.
I can't say that my words are true. But I am sure it's about bot because this lagging is not connection problems (all were 100% when I was checking it).
I'll repeat myself (maybe several times again): there is only one way to 100% win bot - just get away from this table. It's not cowardice, you can read here "part of bankroll managment". Keep in mind, good bot is always playing GTO. Are you sure you can win?

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No nee to get upset.
Agree: I, like most, have no chance against a good bot, although pro's claim they are beatable.
I just reacted to your observation of:
- delay
- immediate bet/fold
Which I can do manually.
I doubt there is any relationship between bots and asynchronous sounds or speed of turn and river cards showing up.

Today I played against the bot, moreover, he is clearly from PokerStars, the player who was the bot knocked out at least 10 people from the tournament including me, and he was making an all-out all-in, what is the probability of winning, how many times can he get having a weak hand !?But as soon as someone answered him having a good hand, he immediately flew out. Including me, I had AQ variegated. I have 13,000 chips, he has 56,000 chips, he goes all-in, I answered, he has 3 and 5 assorted, and they spread 3, A, Q, 4.2 and his straight , the next hand flew my neighbor on the table. And after that you want to say that there are no bots !?

Not on Stars, but spent most of the betonline "5k" with a bot at my table. 4 all-in's pre-flop where the bot was dominated... until the turns and rivers of course. It busted my KK but luckily I still managed to cash.

dripa2008 said:

Today I played against the bot, moreover, he is clearly from PokerStars, the player who was the bot knocked out at least 10 people from the tournament including me, and he was making an all-out all-in, what is the probability of winning, how many times can he get having a weak hand !?But as soon as someone answered him having a good hand, he immediately flew out. Including me, I had AQ variegated. I have 13,000 chips, he has 56,000 chips, he goes all-in, I answered, he has 3 and 5 assorted, and they spread 3, A, Q, 4.2 and his straight , the next hand flew my neighbor on the table. And after that you want to say that there are no bots !?

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It happens in the game and this, you look at the nickname in the sharkskor or pokerprolabs, usually so weak players play, he has a printing press at his home.

you confirm my doubts about it

It was a $ 50 free tournament. So bots can be seen everywhere and not only on cash tables, before that they win free tournaments so that they can go to cash tables.

nop9gok said:

It is unlikely that the room uses bots, what's the point? they have a lot of money on the rail. If you find bots from the room then the reputation will suffer. Poker Stars is businessmen and it’s stupid to engage in fraud. Stupid people could not make the room the most famous, numerous. You can cheat anyone but not logic. Many companies, corporations are not rich in cash and reputation.

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It's not stars that put the bots on the site!!

Poker Orifice said:

David. The answer to your question "are there really bots online" is 100% YES! This doesn't give them the ability to put bad beats on you. If you're new'ish' to the game, the bots are likely the ones who are relentlessly attacking you with 3bets preflop &/or following up by double-barrelling on scarey boards (&/or boards they can represent as hitting their range based on the action (& on your's). They will 'outplay' you... not outdraw you. A bot doesn't play sh1t hands & hit miracle 2-outters on you.... or badbeat you. That sort of thing would be insinuating a 'rigged poker site' or a situation where holecards can be seen by a human (ie. Absolute Poker scandal re: Russ Hamilton many years ago "super user account"). Do you understand the difference?

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I never said the bots put bad beats on me! Bots play hands that they can win that every one else fold, for example runner runner on turn and river, resulting in my hand hitting a bad beat. Do you understand the difference??

i like to believe poker rooms are honest. there is a lot of money to make honestly with the rake alone. so to think any room would run their own bots just to cash extra money is kind of paranoid. If rooms are dishonest then we have no chance. I think we should get congress to pass a bill allowing US online poker. then regulate it and make sure its fair.

David macdonald said:

I never said the bots put bad beats on me! Bots play hands that they can win that every one else fold, for example runner runner on turn and river, resulting in my hand hitting a bad beat. Do you understand the difference??

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David, you obviously don't have a clue what I'm talking about in my post that you've quoted because you are confirming what I mentioned to you as being not a bot is not a bot. Try reading it over again ... & ask questions if you don't understand it. (I thought I'd made it pretty clear though).

Suggesting a bot plays hands it goes runner runner on is suggesting the SITE is 'rigged'. That's not a BOT & it's not how bots work. (I gave you some clues on how to spot bots but seems you've completely ignored them)

David macdonald said:

I never said the bots put bad beats on me! Bots play hands that they can win that every one else fold, for example runner runner on turn and river, resulting in my hand hitting a bad beat. Do you understand the difference??

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No. I don't.


".. never said bots put bad beats on me! "

"Bots play hands they can win ... runner runner... resulting in bad beat"


From what you've written, it sure sounds like you're saying the BOTS put bad beats on you.

fwiw, this isn't how a BOT operates. Read through my previous posts if you want an idea of what they are. Also, I'm certain you could do a forum search and find much more info. on 'what a BOT is'.

Poker Orifice said:

No. I don't.


".. never said bots put bad beats on me! "

"Bots play hands they can win ... runner runner... resulting in bad beat"


From what you've written, it sure sounds like you're saying the BOTS put bad beats on you.

fwiw, this isn't how a BOT operates. Read through my previous posts if you want an idea of what they are. Also, I'm certain you could do a forum search and find much more info. on 'what a BOT is'.

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That's your opinion which I disagree, but hang on you don't play on stars do you? Because you are not allowed

Bad beats

just seems that the river card ALWAYS changes the winner online. I dont feel the same way playing live. Am I alone on this?

I would be surprised if there arent any....
Bots have been around as long as online poker.
Although I doubt that they make a lot of money...
It takes more to be a winning player than math.
But modern bots could be better by combining them with
a HUD so they can take opponent stats into the equation.

But that would make bots complicated and expensive software
that would probably not be run on low stakes games....

I never met a bot that I liked. I don't understand them. Surely they can't be that good. They're just little snippets. Don't worry about them, just play erratic to mess with their circuitry.

graplet said:

just seems that the river card ALWAYS changes the winner online. I dont feel the same way playing live. Am I alone on this?

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It happens more online because you play more hands, however I see plenty bad beats live

Poker Orifice said:

No. I don't.


".. never said bots put bad beats on me! "

"Bots play hands they can win ... runner runner... resulting in bad beat"


From what you've written, it sure sounds like you're saying the BOTS put bad beats on you.

fwiw, this isn't how a BOT operates. Read through my previous posts if you want an idea of what they are. Also, I'm certain you could do a forum search and find much more info. on 'what a BOT is'.

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David macdonald said:

That's your opinion which I disagree, but hang on you don't play on stars do you? Because you are not allowed

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It's actually not my opinion.... it is a FACT. You can disagree all you want.... I was merely trying to help you.... < obviously a complete waste of my time as you don't seem to be interested in learning about what BOTS actually are & how they function on the tables. Whether it's on Stars or Partypoker, iPoker or ACR... it really is irrelevant. It's the same people who are using the BOTS with many these days coming out of Germany & Russia. I'm not aware of how many & on what stakes & games they are most popular these days but I do know they frequent ZOOM, FastForward, SPEED tables with some frequency. This is not just my opinion.
Oddly enough, today the group of BOTS that typically frequent the Partypoker FastForward tables were not present (I have a couple dozen marked that are known to me as being BOTS... I have 10's of thousands of hands on them with their stats. being near identical... including play habits like 3-betting from BB vs. BTN raise 100% of the time & 'folds to 4-bet' in this spot close to 100% of the time... making it very profitable to play vs. them if you're in the know & are able to exploit their programmed actions (but for most recreational players, they'll find themselves being put in tough spots... having to make difficult decisions vs. the actions of said BOTS which makes it terrible for the game imo.... .as it chases away the newer and not so good players).

I've seen them disappear before in the past though.... a few mos. ago I had a dozen or so players who I'd marked and had 10's of thousands of hand with (I'm often playing over 100,000 hands per month.... at times 5k to even 8k in a single day) and all of a sudden they all disappeared. What I'd like to know is.... are the sites getting rid of them in a broad sweep via their security methods OR are the BOT users letting those accounts go dormant & then opening up new ones?? Another thing to note, these 'players(?)' who are sitting at the FastForward (& ZOOM, SPEED, etc.) & probably putting in 3x as many hands (or more) than me in a month (I'd estimate that many of them are playing well over 300,000 hands per month) are fairly tough players vs. your average Joe... definitely not beginners & yet they'll have zero or maybe 3 tournaments played... & a million hands on cash tables in their first 3 months of play!!!!!

Again I was merely trying to help to inform you what is typical of BOTs playing online... & to suggest what it is not (ie. them hitting miracle cards & such).

Poker Orifice said:

No. I don't.


".. never said bots put bad beats on me! "

"Bots play hands they can win ... runner runner... resulting in bad beat"


From what you've written, it sure sounds like you're saying the BOTS put bad beats on you.

fwiw, this isn't how a BOT operates. Read through my previous posts if you want an idea of what they are. Also, I'm certain you could do a forum search and find much more info. on 'what a BOT is'.

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David macdonald said:

That's your opinion which I disagree, but hang on you don't play on stars do you? Because you are not allowed

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I quoted these two comments because to me it is suggesting that you believe this is how a BOT operates. All I've tried to do is show you a bit of how they actually operate & believe me... it is not by hitting miracle runner runners. That is merely variance > ".. never said bots put bad beats on me! "
"Bots play hands they can win ... runner runner... resulting in bad beat"

I don't know about this it might be truth or no but I here been innocent trust that pokerstars maintain the integrity cause with the volume of players playing there the commissions are so many they should work really hard to provide a clean software for the players cause they already win a lot from this commissions but of course since they were bought for the actual owners that only care about profit and not poker anything could be possible humans are greedy and while more you have more you want... in diference I read or heard something similar about this from BetOnline about bots on the cash table thank God I'm not playing there right now at least not cash games only hope to play CC freeroll when I meet the requierements for being part of the FRC

To say that you didn't say that Bots put a badbeat on you.... but then to say that 'Bots play hands they can win runner runner'. < that sounds like you're saying that BOTS put badbeats on you. Correct?
Did you read over what I've written about part of my limited experience with BOTS online? (there's much more but I felt just writing this bit would help to give you a better understanding of what they're all about).

Poker Orifice said:

To say that you didn't say that Bots put a badbeat on you.... but then to say that 'Bots play hands they can win runner runner'. < that sounds like you're saying that BOTS put badbeats on you. Correct?
Did you read over what I've written about part of my limited experience with BOTS online? (there's much more but I felt just writing this bit would help to give you a better understanding of what they're all about).

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It's not what I meant

David macdonald said:

It's not what I meant

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Did you read my post above (#117)
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/pokerstars-bots-398505/post-4762941.html

This is just a small bit of my experience with BOTS today online. (oddly enough I continue to play on the tables that I know that BOTS are rampant on )

David macdonald said:

I never said the bots put bad beats on me! Bots play hands that they can win that every one else fold, for example runner runner on turn and river, resulting in my hand hitting a bad beat. Do you understand the difference??

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That's not how bots work.

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David macdonald said:

That's your opinion which I disagree, but hang on you don't play on stars do you? Because you are not allowed

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And you would be wrong to disagree, listen to PO if you really want to learn about bots, he knows what he is saying.

Bots do not chase runner runner. :rofl:

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Can someone please conclude this discussion for me? Main question is:
Wheter bots are making it harder for human players to win? Because from what I understood they are as good as the one who programmed them.

So it is just as if I would be playing against weaker or better player. Or do it have some other advantage over human players?

Zorba said:

That's not how bots work.

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And you would be wrong to disagree, listen to PO if you really want to learn about bots, he knows what he is saying.

Bots do not chase runner runner. :rofl:

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OK I will take your word for it