Pokerstars Overcharging Women

Kennyg · Mar 11, 2023

I notice women’s only games on pokerstars at 11c which are 9c + 2c rake. There are games open to all at 10c which are 9c + 1c rake.

What are people’s opinions on this?

S3mper · Mar 11, 2023

I don't play on Stars so I don't know about these games so I would hope what is happening here is that these "womens only" games aren't actually women only tournaments and they are open (for legal reasons) and to get around this they give womens accounts a discount. This if I'm not mistaken is how brick and mortar casinos have to do it.

If this isn't the case. Yikes.

Edit: Even if this explanation is what is happening, paying a 100% increase in rake isn't beneficial to the women who play in it but to the poker site. With the live scenarios I'm pretty certain the extra buy-in is going into the player pool.

Kennyg · Mar 11, 2023

I have just tried to register to see what happens. The following note appeared.

Note: This tournament is only for female players. Male participants will be disqualified and will forfeit any prize with no refund of the buy-in.

fundiver199 · Mar 11, 2023

Kennyg said:
There are games open to all at 10c which are 9c + 1c rake.

What are those games? I can not see them anywhere in either the MTT or SnG lobby.

Andyreas · Mar 11, 2023

fundiver199 said:
What are those games? I can not see them anywhere in either the MTT or SnG lobby.

Yeah me neither.

They used to have those super micro MTTs years ago.

Kennyg · Mar 11, 2023

I can see one on at 16.10 GMT. in mtt

Andyreas · Mar 11, 2023

Kennyg said:
I can see one on at 16.10 GMT. in mtt

Can you show a screenshot?

I just checked again and don't see those games.

PupsikCat · Mar 11, 2023

Pokerstars has always had a very high rake, because of this, many pros do not yell at him

Kennyg · Mar 11, 2023

Kennyg said:
Can you show a screenshot?

Andyreas said:
I just checked again and don't see those games.

I have tried to post a screenshot but file size is too big. Have you filters set? These games are running regularly

Andyreas · Mar 11, 2023

Kennyg said:
I have tried to post a screenshot but file size is too big. Have you filters set? These games are running regularly

Yes, but I don't see them.

Here are the games with a buy-in of $0.11-$0.33 but no regular $0.11 MTTs for me:

Screenshot 2023 03 11 18 26 08 22 e34db278d57530e90c8afb0c8daf025d

fundiver199 · Mar 11, 2023

PupsikCat said:
Pokerstars has always had a very high rake, because of this, many pros do not yell at him

Pros hardly care about the rake for 11c games reserved for female players only.

Kennyg said:
I have tried to post a screenshot but file size is too big. Have you filters set? These games are running regularly

Yes there are some of those 11c "ladys only" events, you talk about, but the lowest buyin regular events are for 55c, and there are not even any satellites for 10c. The closest thing, I can find, are some SnG satellites for 9+1c, but these are hyperturbos, and thats why, the rake is lower.

Kennyg · Mar 11, 2023

I don’t see any 10c games now but noticed one yesterday. It was a 10c hot turbo.

KrazyKoo · Mar 12, 2023

I think all their scheduled tourneys got that rake, the games with 10c with 1c rake are technically SnGs

antonis32123 · Mar 12, 2023

I think I have seen these games , yeah , if this is right for the rake, then it's no good , but on the other hand these games are for fun , to make some women play , or try and start playing , 11c games are not to give them big wins and prizepools ,
I do not think PS targets them to earn more money , it's simply a mistake . Maybe women should have some freerolls or special games just for them

fundiver199 · Mar 12, 2023

antonis32123 said:
I think I have seen these games , yeah , if this is right for the rake, then it's no good , but on the other hand these games are for fun , to make some women play , or try and start playing , 11c games are not to give them big wins and prizepools ,
I do not think PS targets them to earn more money , it's simply a mistake . Maybe women should have some freerolls or special games just for them

In 2017 PokerStars decided to raise the rake for MTTs with 20% for games under 20$. So for instance a 5,5$ MTT on Stars is no longer 5+0,5$ but 4,9+0,6$. Presumably what happened here is, that they dont want to charge a fraction of a cent in rake, and then rather than rounding down to 1c they decided to round up to 2c. Which dont really matter, since nobody are playing 11c MTTs to make a living or build up a bankroll. There are also 55c lady only event with the same 6c rake as other 55c events.

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