In my opinion, they didn't make a good choice, I don't play as much as I used to, I believe they have already lost a lot of players. What is certain is that they are selecting the profitable ones (the ones who spend) from those who only play the freerollsZenonBR said:
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i like play private freerollZenonBR said:
888 Poker has seen declining volume as well and from a much lower starting point. Only GG Poker has seen an increase in volume.Ruslan L said:
If one focuses too much on their revenues and not the clients, in the end they have no revenues to focus on.fundiver199 said:Probably lose some users yes. But maybe not revenue. And for the site that is more important
The CC freeroll were most likely removed, because they majority of "clients" playing them rarely created even a single dollar of revenue. If CC members were actually playing normal games on PokerStars on a regular basis, there would not be this endless mourning about the removal of the freerolls, since there are still loads of other games to play for prices down to as low as $0,25iwont20 said:
1) Well, all freerolls were removed, not just Cardschat's. Many of them were affiliates' freerolls for this week/month depositors only. Not a valid point.fundiver199 said:The CC freeroll were most likely removed, because they majority of "clients" playing them never created a single dollar of revenue anyway. They just came for the "free lunch" and did not contribute to the business in any way which so ever. If CC members were actually playing normal games on PokerStars on a regular basis, there would not be this endless mourning about the removal of the freerolls, since there are still loads of other games to play
Well then their investigation probably showed, that all those affiliate freerolls were a money pit not creating any value for their business. And since GG Poker dont run them either, maybe they actually have a point and know, what they are doing?iwont20 said:
Somehow I am convinced, that this is completely wrong. I think, plenty of poker players (including myself) start their poker journey by making a deposit and dont really care all that much about freerolls at all. On the countrary I think, the very existence of freerolls have created an unhealthy "freeroller" culture, which was completely unsustainable for online pokeriwont20 said:
At the end of the day, if a significant percentage of freeroll winnings are withdrawn rather than recycled back into the "ecosystem", and if they also dont generate significant new deposits, they are a losing proposition for the site.iwont20 said:
That does not solve anything, since people can then just make a $10 minimum deposit and eventually withdraw $500, which they won by only playing freerolls.iwont20 said:
GGpoker still has freerolls 😀fundiver199 said:
I said not only started their journey, but maintained it! There were numerous freerolls on PS back then, and even players of the high statuses played them, what to say about an average player, who won't be depositing thousands, they will just quit. I doubt you have never played in any kind of freeroll 🙂fundiver199 said:Somehow I am convinced, that this is completely wrong. I think, plenty of poker players (including myself) start their poker journey by making a deposit and dont really care all that much about freerolls at all. On the countrary I think, the very existence of freerolls have created an unhealthy "freeroller" culture, which was completely unsustainable for online poker
I honestly am surprised by how convinced you are that majority of players are withdrawing $ from freerolls. Majority of players of regular freerolls, if they get into the ITM, win like 1-2$ and then play a satellite or some other tournament, maybe some cash. How many times a person can win the first place in the CC freeroll (which paid 19$) a month? It rarely happens if the same person wins twice a month. I doubt someone is playing freerolls every day for long hours just to withdraw 15$ a month. They either are building/rebuilding a BR (for what? to play further) or use a couple of dollars to play right away somewhere else.fundiver199 said:
lol such people who are withdrawing 500$ from freerolls are either very lucky (and it's few of them - occasional winners) or are pretty skillful (and they have learned to play already somewhere, definitely not non-depositing freerollers). Because you have to grind hard to win 500$ from freerolls only, the prizepools of them overall are tiny. So why such winning players would stick only to freerolls is unclear.fundiver199 said:
Not true. They recently held freerolls giving away Sunday Million tickets during the EPT Paris event and on sharkscope I see people, who play a lot of hyperturbo freeroll satellites. So what they abondoned were only affiliate games, as Debi informed us about on 26. january 2024:iwont20 said:
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I dont know what the majority does, but we have seen posts from people complaining, how they faced problems withdrawing their freeroll winnings from whatever site. So for sure this behaviour does occur.iwont20 said:
Apparently their decision is, that all freerolls must reward tickets. Which in my opinion makes sense, because in that way the regular games are propped up, and the money has to be turned over at least once, before it can be withdrawn. Also a promotion as the one outlined by Debi below would reward people, who actually play and pay rake instead of randomly giving away money to someone, who found a leaked password on the internetiwont20 said:
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Some forum members have had "challenge" threads about, how they build a $500 "bankroll" solely from freerolls. I agree, this makes little sense, but it does happen.iwont20 said:
I guess, we will just have to wait for the terrible poker room PokerStars to disappear then. So far though I dont notice any decline in either SnGs or MTTs, since the affiliate freerolls were taken down at the end of 2023. So it seems to be a rather slow processiwont20 said:
I thoroughly disagree with this ^ AND I'd suggest that most pros (even low stakes regs.) NEVER played freerolls except perhaps some that were VIP rakeback type ones.iwont20 said:
I believe the majority of the CC members probably were. It was easy enough to see... just run their name through a game tracking site and you'll see that they ONLY play freerolls... so unless they are cash table players (also very doubtful) I'd suggest they are (were) all withdrawing those Freeroll $'siwont20 said:
But who are those invited players? Someone who paid a lot of rake, or someone who signed up for an internet forum or found a leaked password on the internet?iwont20 said:
Plus every time someone ask advice about building up a bankroll, they get numerous answers recommending them to not deposit and only play freerolls. If a poker site representative read those posts, I honestly dont know, why they would still want to offer freerolls....Poker Orifice said:
