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Message: [QUOTE="Dorkus Malorkus, post: 469982, member: 6020"] Hand doesn't make sense. Villain check-calls flop, then leads a ragged turn and calls a raise before open-shoving the river? It just seems really odd - if he is slowplaying a monster hand then he probably checks the nothing turn card expecting you to bet again and makes a small value bet on the river. Look at the possibilities. Ok, villain could have 5x, but there are very few combinations of 5x that he's justified in calling the flop lead and turn raise with. Plus unless you have AA/KK and can't let go his river push is only getting called by hands that either split the pot or beat him. He could have an 8, but I think if he's checked a 2-flush 2-straight flop with trips he's probably going to check the blank turn too. He could have a boat (66?), but is he really shoving such an action-killing river with a boat? Maybe I'm giving the average $10 donk too much credit but you have to make a small value bet with a boat on that river, because a shove is folding too many hands (just as it is unlikely villain has a 5, it is also unlikely you have a 5 from the prior action). He could be on a busted diamond draw - the flop check-call, turn blocking bet and huge river bluff seem to fit reasonably well with this. That all said, the crux of the matter is the river shove (at the risk of stating the obvious) either really wants a call or really doesn't. I think the vast majority of the time you will be either seeing a straight+ (again, despite what I've said, a $10 donk's play doesnt have to make sense) or absolutely nothing. The hand has played out bizzarely enough to tempt me into a reluctant call though, as I think villain's bluff % is huge here. Did villain instashove the river? I'm not one for putting much emphasis on online tells but if he instashoved the river I'm [I]definitely[/I] calling because it's just one suspicious play too many. [/QUOTE]

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