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Message: [QUOTE="RammerJammer, post: 332151, member: 2090"] The only two cents I have to throw in here are courtesy of [B]T.J. Cloutier[/B]: "The general rule is: [B]If you wouldn't play any two cards unsuited, you should not play them suited.[/B] Of course, there are a few exceptions. For example, if several players have trailed into an unraised pot and you are on the button with K-small suited, you might call in the hope of flopping the big flush. You never would call a raise, however. And you wouldn't play it without at least one [I]big[/I] card, because even if you flop the flush, you're in danger of being outkicked on the turn or river. "With these types of cards, your decision always comes [I]on the flop[/I]. Hit & play. Miss & muck. Get in cheap so you can get out cheap, or don't get in at all. I recommend the latter." -- from "Championship No-Limit & Pot-Limit Hold 'Em" And, by the way, gjshand, your posted hand is a really great example of the pitfalls of the unraised pot. Two opponents four-flushed on the flop. I personally wouldn't have called your 240-chip bet on a draw (and the guy with Jack high was an idiot to do so), but you can't fault the Ace-high flush draw for staying in. One of the best bets in hold 'em is being four-flushed on the flop. The odds are only 1.85-to-1 against hitting the flush on the turn or river. The one criticism I have is your choice to call the $100 bet on the turn, rather than folding or raising big. If you don't believe your hand is good enough at that point to raise with, it's probably not good enough to call with. You would have to consider that one or both of your opponents has made their spade flush, and you need a full house or quad fours to beat them out. That's only 10 outs total, and 6 of them endanger your hand by possibly creating a bigger boat than the fours-over. Good for you for getting out on the river and saving a big hit, but you cost yourself an extra 100 chips by sitting on the fence on the turn. In my opinion, that was the proper jumping off point. [/QUOTE]

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