Fold AA PreFlop?

sidenotch · Dec 9, 2018

Would have to the right situation...but yes

Have I EVER?>>>NOPE...BUT, would I fold them in the right situation?>>>Indeed. Even though they are the most powerful hand to hold, I think big slick(AK) suited gives you better chances. Lately in ACR tournies it seems you have to have a hand worthy of being able to go all in with about 80% of the time.

duson · Dec 9, 2018

As others have said AA can be a fold if you're in a satty or on a bubble that you really want to survive. But from what you're talking about with 10 players left that sounds like a call since you have the best hand in the game.

kraemer · Dec 9, 2018

Why is everyone folding aces on the bubble...?

Because everyone knows that people tend to play carefully around the bubble a lot of those shoves will be very weak ones from players that shove with the intention of everyone folding...

There is no better thing then having someone shove when you sit there with AA

Especially in a usual tournament this will reduce your win rate significantly. You might get ITM a few more times when you fold around the bubble, but you also miss a great opportunity to finish very high by building your stack around the bubble...

MemphisGrind · Dec 9, 2018

kraemer said:
Why is everyone folding aces on the bubble...?

Because everyone knows that people tend to play carefully around the bubble a lot of those shoves will be very weak ones from players that shove with the intention of everyone folding...

There is no better thing then having someone shove when you sit there with AA

Especially in a usual tournament this will reduce your win rate significantly. You might get ITM a few more times when you fold around the bubble, but you also miss a great opportunity to finish very high by building your stack around the bubble...

I don't understand the bubble folds. I play to win. not to make it into the money. My statements were about satties where everyone gets the same prize regardless of place finish and the rare 9 player shove first hand that I just put up for fun lol because it's controversial and I enjoy invoking thought.

JBGambler · Dec 9, 2018

This is often the right thing and what everyone would say is that you go but that many factors influence the game, sometimes up to the moment they tell you not to go

Matteobvb83 said:
I've never folded AA preflop and I think I will not ever! perhaps just the bubble of an important satellite if I ever were to happen. It is the strongest starting hand in the game and rarely happens.

pancho_1954 said:
I do not remember very well but I think that if I have folded with AA once, I think that time I played very calm and saw the play on the table (I do not remember what it was) and since it is very close to the bubble I decided not to risk it, I think that after that I have not folded with AA, despite being the strongest pair can not always win with them, and it will always be difficult not to play with them regardless of how you decide to play it is always difficult and more if you are close to the bubble

the lab man · Dec 9, 2018

If you are going to fold A/A irregardless of what type of tourney you are playing ...stop playing poker. You would be better folding every hand you play.
You are going to win with A/A +80% of the time.
Never in a $10,000 plus buy in would you ever see all 9 players going all in... I've never seen it even in free rolls...

JBGambler · Dec 9, 2018

Yes, sometimes the game leads to a bad decision or a decision that does not take you to a champion

fantata666 said:
it's hard to fold AA regardless of the position that does not risk it does not win

Streetwylde · Dec 9, 2018

Only in sat. tourneys if it meant you would get in if one of the players were to go out that was involved. Now if your stack wasn't good and you are at risk of going out in a few hands or so anyway then no way. Other then this unless you are about to make the final table of the WSOP and become a Millionaire then I'm with everyone else who stated the same above.

JBGambler · Dec 9, 2018

Yes, sometimes entering the bubble is tempting, several factors influence

duson said:
As others have said AA can be a fold if you're in a satty or on a bubble that you really want to survive. But from what you're talking about with 10 players left that sounds like a call since you have the best hand in the game.

jmateuspoker · Dec 9, 2018

AApre flop

So I gave fold AA preflop in a very special ICM condition I type too short and is to burst the bubble of a tournament I'm missing a button and 3 people
Another condition is a pay jump final table very large and have more than two all ins involved
In short if not by ICM always see with good eyes playing with AA he always welcome in my hand

mateuspoker

acemenow · Dec 9, 2018

MemphisGrind said:
The question is have you ever folded AA pre-flop.. My answer, Yes.

I have folded AA pre on the bubble of a few satellite's where villain had me covered. I've never folded them pre in any other circumstance. Only other one I would consider folding them pre is the circumstance someone once asked. and while I know it will probably never happen it's still an interesting thought. In the WSOP main event $10,000 buy in and one of the most prestigious tournaments arguably in the world. It is the very first hand dealt, everyone has a stack of 50,000 chips. Every player shoves and you're last to act and look down at Ace's do you call or fold, and why?

I have thought of this often since I first heard it, somewhere else in this forum in last 6-8 months I think.

Anyway, I thought I would fold then my brain played a little scenario in my head of the flop coming down A10A of course if I call I the other scenario I see is the guy that calls with 10 10 hits trips on the board (course that actually happened live - whaddya gonna do

) Just an errant hand in a tourney near the bubble not as dramatic as the scenario you laid out.

Consequently, I figure I will never know the true answer unless I am in the actual spot with the $$$ or ticket at risk and engaged with the table. The though alone can give me a touch of anxiety lol

Dontnonothin · Dec 10, 2018

Folding AA preflop

always is a bad decission. If you think you have to fold them because you are on the bubble, you are probably playing a tournament, that you cannot afford to play. I am convinced, that this kind of play makes you loose a lot of money long term.

Rawdeal1955 · Dec 10, 2018

Folding AA preflop has to be the hardest fold, staying in the game is the out come you need. I've seen AA taken out by 53 suited, over stack players will make wild calls to take a player out. Your stack is what you play and protect, and if your short stack the wolfs will show their fangs. I think the state play changes hand to hand and player to player.

This Quote was on Memphis grind and so true
“You will show your poker greatness by the hands you fold, not the hands you play.” ~ Dan Reed

JBGambler · Dec 10, 2018

Yes, it is a very important and determining factor, instinct sometimes plays a very important factor

pancho_1954 said:
I do not remember very well but I think that if I have folded with AA once, I think that time I played very calm and saw the play on the table (I do not remember what it was) and since it is very close to the bubble I decided not to risk it, I think that after that I have not folded with AA, despite being the strongest pair can not always win with them, and it will always be difficult not to play with them regardless of how you decide to play it is always difficult and more if you are close to the bubble

teteuc2 · Dec 17, 2018

If it is not satellite I will never do that. The same AA that can get you out of the tournament, you're much more likely to leverage you to win the tournament.

FernA9ndo · Dec 17, 2018

jmateuspoker said:
So I gave fold AA preflop in a very special ICM condition I type too short and is to burst the bubble of a tournament I'm missing a button and 3 people
Another condition is a pay jump final table very large and have more than two all ins involved
In short if not by ICM always see with good eyes playing with AA he always welcome in my hand

mateuspoker

About the pay jump final table, I would not fold, propably the closest that I have to call with AA and I can understand in bubble and satellite that I will need to fold pocket ACES because if I fold then will be garanteed victory.

Dailon Arroyo Blandon · Dec 17, 2018

I think the only reason that is justified to fold preflop AA ... would be that I was in the bubble and someone goes all in with more chips than me .... I have never found myself in that situation ... but I think that would be the only way to fold AA

maximmaxim · Dec 20, 2018

when the bubble comes I will throw
You just can not imagine how it can be a shame to fly out before the prizes with aces.and if, besides, you are in the tournament for five hours and you urgently need money ...
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ChickenArise · Dec 21, 2018

Once. It was a misclick.

wontmilion · Dec 21, 2018

JBGambler said:
Have you ever folded AA pre flop? Well I had almost always read that pair of Aces is always Raise or All In, it has always been easi my game, until one day I was forced to fold A-A pre flop, the question is why?
Well I was in bubble can say we were 10 players and charged the first two positions, and I was on the button, both went All in before me, choose to fold because he had the same chips about them and one was going to go safe

There are sound comments before, the only reasonable spot to fold bullets is bubble of satellite. For me personally I have folded AA pre-flop a few times in satellites but I have to admit it almost always hurts

Speaking about bubble of regular MTT its for sure a terrible play to fold AA pre-flop even on the bubble, you are missing tooooo much value. Only scenario you can advocate that if you are freroll/micro-stakes playes who won satellite on lets say 5K buy-in event and that 10K min prize would make big inpact on your life situation.

Rui Ferreira · Dec 21, 2018

I never gave up preflop with AA in any case. I do not see any problem in giving up the same thing with AA because you run the risk of getting out of the money, it's all a matter of time, plus I say you're never good to go out in a bubble at this point it's fine to play with instinct if Your instinct is telling you to give up and give up.

1k95 · Dec 21, 2018

In the early stage of the tournament, when everyone has approximately the same stacks, well above the blinds, there is no sense to fold AA.

mariale_1990 · Dec 21, 2018

I have never folded pre flop, I almost did that because I was close to the bubble, but I preferred to take risks, for my good fortune everything went well, but I have not always won with them, I think most fold with them preflop when is in the bubble stage since there is a lot to take into account at that time

BnaD · Dec 21, 2018

I have never folded aces pre and don't think I could unless I was in a tournament where all I had to do was survive to earn a ticket and was far enough ahead to be guaranteed the ticket. Even if I was on the stone bubble I wouldn't fold it. I play for the win! And play stakes that I can afford to lose a buy-in with aces.

tfonly · Dec 22, 2018

luckily I've never been in an icm situation like that with aces.

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