***Microstakes Stats Thread***

[Cafeman]

How is this number calculated Dr Crush?

 

[honeycrush]

How is this number calculated Dr Crush?

Well Dr Cafe... I have just found this on the HEM forum:

It is the ratio between your unopened PFR from the button and your unopened PFR from early position.

So if you raised an unopened pot 4 out of 10 times on the button and 4 out of 20 times from early position then it would be:

4/10
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4/20

0.4
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0.2

Preflop positional awareness = 2.0

 

[honeycrush]

Leakbuster recommends 1.7-3.1?

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So what's yours?

 

[Cafeman]

So we're just better off looking at RFI by position if we really want to know about villains' positional awareness and rangeiness.

 

[honeycrush]

So we're just better off looking at RFI by position if we really want to know about villains' positional awareness and rangeiness.

Yeah - I don't think this is something for the HUD. It's more for analysing our own stats and finding leaks.

Also more for someone just starting out - looking at stats for the first time. RFI is more useful but a little less basic.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Mines is eh, 5.5

 

[honeycrush]

Mines is eh, 5.5

Hehe. You obviously love to abuse that button.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Hehe. You obviously love to abuse that button.

Yeah that button is one naughty girl. I spank her whenever she gets out of line

 

[pocketehs]

You should have pop ups that tell you what their RFI (Raise First In - basically the times they open for a raise when it's folded to them) by position, and that gives you a good indication of their positional awareness. Then of course you can look at their cold call pre by position, 3bet by position etc. All these things will give you an idea of their ranges and tendencies.

I agree w this. I actually use RFI for pretty much everyting so i have it as one of my main lines on my HUD.

I also include it on my pop up for like 3bets/4bets and steals and stuff. that way i can get a better idea of someones ranges.

for instance, if a nit opens the CO 18% and their f3b is 0% i might just flat their open in the blinds w a lot of hands id 3bet for value normally esp v a f3b of 0% cause their opening range is a lot tighter.

and i dont use PF positional awareness. i cant see that being super helpful at all

 

[Logan2]

i also don't use positional awareness stat but use RFI stat pretty much all the time.

Another stats that added to Hud that not used before are the BB fold to steal from sb stat, this plus the BB fold to steal from Btn plus Sb fold to steal is helping a ton to get this.

Spoiler

I usually was not stealing that much on sb before but is easy when you can see to who
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[Wardy88]

Is it a good idea to replace PFR with RFI on the main HUD? Because if we have 3bet% and RFI isn't that effectively PFR? Or am I missing something?

 

[Logan2]

pfr is total where rfi is individual by position.

You could have a 14/12 where 12 is his pfr but still his open on utg could be 8 and on btn 30., but i think is best to keep both because pfr is fast to converge on just couple rounds and could use it to tag players fast, to see who is loose or nit or tag or fish, while rfi take some time to really converge and be accurate and is use it more to know a villain range from specific position usually when you have more hands on them.




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[Wardy88]

pfr is total where rfi is individual by position.

You could have a 14/12 where 12 is his pfr but still his open on utg could be 8 and on btn 30., but i think is best to keep both because pfr is fast to converge on just couple rounds and could use it to tag players fast, to see who is loose or nit or tag or fish, while rfi take some time to really converge and be accurate and is use it more to know a villain range from specific position usually when you have more hands on them.




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Awesome thanks Logan this makes sense, I'll leave it in the popup and reference it when I need it.

I've got a noob question; is there any way to analyze opponents stats/graphs in PT itself? Or like look at every hand played against specific villain?I try my best to take notes while playing but I'm sure I'm missing some spots when playing multiple tables and I'd like to go back and make specific comments on other players.

 

[pocketehs]

Awesome thanks Logan this makes sense, I'll leave it in the popup and reference it when I need it.

I've got a noob question; is there any way to analyze opponents stats/graphs in PT itself? Or like look at every hand played against specific villain?I try my best to take notes while playing but I'm sure I'm missing some spots when playing multiple tables and I'd like to go back and make specific comments on other players.

Ya there is but itd be pretty inefficient to do so. I created another tag thats "Player Notes" so when a hand comes up and i dont have time to make notes, i mark it then after i go into PT4 and add the notes

 

[Logan2]

Can´t help with that one because i use HEM, in there is a option to search players by name, so you could search the player and will see all his hands/stats/graphs like if he was the Hero, even can use the replayer, so you could set some filters to see all his showdowns or 3b hands, how he play sets or draws or stuff like that. Not sure on PT though.
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[Wardy88]

Can´t help with that one because i use HEM, in there is a option to search players by name, so you could search the player and will see all his hands/stats/graphs like if he was the Hero, even can use the replayer, so you could set some filters to see all his showdowns or 3b hands, how he play sets or draws or stuff like that. Not sure on PT though.
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This sounds like exactly what i need haha, oh well.

Ya there is but itd be pretty inefficient to do so. I created another tag thats "Player Notes" so when a hand comes up and i dont have time to make notes, i mark it then after i go into PT4 and add the notes

I like this idea and will definitely use it. Thanks.

 

[honeycrush]

I've started playing deep games! Started at 2nl and winning 12bb/100 over 40k hands so far. It's extremely swingy and I've had sessions where I've been up as much as 12BI but I've also had others when I've been down 17 BI!!!

I think my style is naturally more on the lag side but have found myself playing more passively because stacks are so deep. Am wondering how deep play affects optimal stats. Am calling more 3bets and floating more and there's a bigger gap between VPIP and PFR. Does this make sense for deep tables with antes? Am also playing even looser! What do you guys think?

 

[BenjiHustle]

Subbed! I need some info if anyone has it...

Does anyone know typical ranges for Limp-Fold PF, Resteal, and/or Fold to Resteal?

 

[honeycrush]

Subbed! I need some info if anyone has it...

Does anyone know typical ranges for Limp-Fold PF, Resteal, and/or Fold to Resteal?

Do you mean range for a winning player in these spots?

Can't find Limp-Fold PF but

SB Reraise Steal optimal range is 7.5-12.4
BB Reraise Steal optimal range is 7.6-13.6

Does this help?

 

[BenjiHustle]

Helps a bit, yeah, thanks! That's def. higher than my general resteal. Any ideas about fold to resteal?

This helps me color code my HUD. Martin (Fknife) and I have been going on a bit about stats and color coding, figuring out proper HUD configuration, but I've never been able to figure out Limp-Fold ranges or Fold-to-Resteal.

 

[honeycrush]

Helps a bit, yeah, thanks! That's def. higher than my general resteal. Any ideas about fold to resteal?

This helps me color code my HUD. Martin (Fknife) and I have been going on a bit about stats and color coding, figuring out proper HUD configuration, but I've never been able to figure out Limp-Fold ranges or Fold-to-Resteal.

No sorry - have no idea.

I'm wondering why you're using such complex stats to colour your HUD. I imagine that the stats that you're looking for are so rare that you would need samples of thousands for them to converge. Is this because you're playing in the US and have such a small player pool? Got to admit that I never look at these sorts of stats because I have so few hands on the majority of villains it would never be relevant.

 

[Fknife]

This helps me color code my HUD. Martin (Fknife) and I have been going on a bit about stats and color coding, figuring out proper HUD configuration, but I've never been able to figure out Limp-Fold ranges or Fold-to-Resteal.

I would just create a popup with limp-fold, limp-raise and limp-call and if you're able to calculate his open-limping range "on the fly" (which is probably bottom of his positional VPIP - positional RFI) and then calculate which part of his limping range goes where (fold, call, raise ranges) you can probably make one of those scenarios happen:

1. High limp-to-fold + high Fold FlopCB => iso with ATC and c-bet almost any board.
2. Low limp-to-fold + low Fold FlopCB => iso with value hands and hands that flop TPGK (WTSD and WSD are also indicators how light you can do this).
3. High limp-to-fold + low Fold FlopCB => similar to scenario 2, but you want your high card hands to be a bit better than before since his continuing range (limp-calling range) is going to be a bit stronger. You can theoretically reduce the size of your iso-raise since he will be folding to a lot of them and only calling with a range which you don't necessarily beat (and/or increase the size when you're on top of your iso range and crushing his limp-calling range)
4. Low limp-to-fold + high Fold FlopCB => print money. If his fold to cbet is high enough, you WANT him to call your iso-raise, since you're profiting from any money that goes in preflop. You might even increase the size of your PFR since he's calling way too much.

 

[BenjiHustle]

I would just create a popup with limp-fold, limp-raise and limp-call and if you're able to calculate his open-limping range "on the fly" (which is probably bottom of his positional VPIP - positional RFI) and then calculate which part of his limping range goes where (fold, call, raise ranges) you can probably make one of those scenarios happen:

1. High limp-to-fold + high Fold FlopCB => iso with ATC and c-bet almost any board.
2. Low limp-to-fold + low Fold FlopCB => iso with value hands and hands that flop TPGK (WTSD and WSD are also indicators how light you can do this).
3. High limp-to-fold + low Fold FlopCB => similar to scenario 2, but you want your high card hands to be a bit better than before since his continuing range (limp-calling range) is going to be a bit stronger. You can theoretically reduce the size of your iso-raise since he will be folding to a lot of them and only calling with a range which you don't necessarily beat (and/or increase the size when you're on top of your iso range and crushing his limp-calling range)
4. Low limp-to-fold + high Fold FlopCB => print money. If his fold to cbet is high enough, you WANT him to call your iso-raise, since you're profiting from any money that goes in preflop. You might even increase the size of your PFR since he's calling way too much.

Is there a way to sticky/save this post? This here's a gem! :congrats:

Thank you.

 

[Cymro]

PT4 has a W$SD (non-small) stat where I think it only counts hands where you put in at least 10bb. I prefer this as there are so many times I'm in the BB and check it down vs. a limper calling station I'm not interested in playing, so it gives me a better idea of how I'm doing at SD.

 

[honeycrush]

PT4 has a W$SD (non-small) stat where I think it only counts hands where you put in at least 10bb. I prefer this as there are so many times I'm in the BB and check it down vs. a limper calling station I'm not interested in playing, so it gives me a better idea of how I'm doing at SD.

Yes, WTSD and W$SD are good stats to use as it shows you when villains are sticky and go too far with weak hands. If villain has low WTSD and high W$SD then we can bluff him more as he only goes to SD with very strong hands. If it's the opposite (high WTSD and low W$SD) then this is your typically calling station fish and means DO NOT BLUFF!

Ideal ranges (from HEM2) are said to be:

WTSD - 23-28.2
W$SD - 50.8-58.6