Moving on up, Cash Game Thread

[IPlay]

Finally, a decent session. Still ran under EV on my all ins but I actually made some big hands and got paid off. Still focusing on making folds and not bluff catching much and I feel like I did a good job of it tonight. I played solid except for the last hour when I probably should of got off but there was a 45/25 fish directly to my right and we were 400bb deep so I stuck it out and didn't get any of it.

I made a deposit of $200 Saturday but did not play much more then an hour here and there since then but the roll is at $439.79. I am almost making money at 25NL since this challenge started Can't wait to cross into the green. I would be doing pretty damn good if I wasn't 6.5 buy ins below EV over my 10k hands at 25NL............

 

[akaRobbo]

I'm 7BI below EV over 6k hands.

Not to mention today, I rage quit for the day after getting KK<AA AIPF, AA in squeezed pot, Qhigh dry board OTT, lost to fish flopping set of 7s. (Fish called my squeeze with someone to act behind him ??WP?)
And to end nicely nut flush, non paired board losing to rivered straight flush in a 400BB pot, vs a fish of course, literally never folding.

I dunno what I've gotta do to have a winning session, it's literally impossible when crap like this happens.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Arent u worried iplay being underolled?

 

[IPlay]

Ouch Robbo, lots of us on a downswing right now. Aces, I have 18 buy ins for the level so I am not too worried. Have been suffering from accumulated tilt lately from the run bad so most sessions are around 200 hands, I get sucked out on or bad beat and I get off. Can't grind through it right now. Hopefully I can string together a couple winning sessions soon and get out of the funk, but I have a feeling that won't really happen until after the holidays. I just won't have the time really because of Christmas, New Years, and I am moving by the 1st.

What do you do with 99 here?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 92.36 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
BTN: 132.04 BB (VPIP: 21.52, PFR: 6.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
Hero (SB): 157.96 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 223.72 BB (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 72.73, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 11)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9:diamond: 9:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero ???

 

[Aces2w1n]

Whats his steal rate??? Flatting is terrible so 4bet or fold

 

[Aces2w1n]

Just careful ur moving up stakes cuz ur running bad at 10nl just looks bad

 

[IPlay]

Just careful ur moving up stakes cuz ur running bad at 10nl just looks bad

I ran like a god at 10NL, ran bad the second I moved up to 25 though. I'm not chasing loses, just cba to grind out 5 and 10NL for a month when I am confident that I can beat the 25NL on bovada.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Well hopefully next yr ill b playin 25nl and 50nl

Recon 25nl is much harder??

 

[IPlay]

Yeah it is harder, not as many 50/40 players like 5 and 10nl but still tons of spew.

That 99 hand, guy is a nit but I am raising out of the small blind. I hate 4 betting and getting shipped on and having to fold. Flatting also sucks because overs are going to come often and I can't take heat being OOP. I guess folding against a nit? It just feels too nitty. Against a reg I think 4 bet GII is fine?

Anyway, got a solid 1k hands in today for 2 buy ins profit. Ran pretty meh but thankfully people spew enough for me to not run hot and still make a decent profit.

Roll: $486.86

 

[IPlay]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 77.72 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 128.36 BB (VPIP: 65.25, PFR: 40.68, 3Bet Preflop: 19.35, Hands: 120)
Hero (CO): 172.88 BB
BTN: 143.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
SB: 100.24 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BB: 91.6 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7:club: 9:club:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (10.2 BB, 2 players) 5:spade: 8:heart: 2:heart:
MP checks, Hero bets 6.68 BB, MP calls 6.68 BB

Turn: (23.56 BB, 2 players) K:club:
MP checks, Hero bets 14.68 BB, MP calls 14.68 BB

River: (52.92 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
MP checks, Hero bets 26.08 BB




PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 101.6 BB
BTN: 102.4 BB
SB: 48.72 BB
BB: 146.28 BB
Hero (UTG): 100.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: A:diamond:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 3:diamond: 4:club: Q:club:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 8.08 BB, SB calls 8.08 BB, BB calls 8.08 BB

Turn: (33.24 BB, 3 players) 7:spade:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 22.08 BB, fold, BB calls 22.08 BB

River: (77.4 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets 67.56 BB and is all-in

New table

 

[bitowl]

About the red line, people used to fold believe it or not. Lol, I have gotten people to fold QQ a couple times preflop lately though with a light 4 bet. /brag

This is one of the first hands I posted but never gave results, I still can't believe he folded.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 48.6 BB
BB: 262.2 BB
UTG: 103 BB
Hero (CO): 104.4 BB
BTN: 15.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T<font color='black'>♠</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) A<font color='red'>♥</font> 2<font color='red'>♥</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 4.2 BB, BB calls 4.2 BB

River: (14.8 BB, 2 players) 8<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB bets 14.8 BB, Hero raises to 52.4 BB, fold

BB mucks 2<font color='black'>♠</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> (Flush, Jack High)

Hero wins 42.2 BB

He only beats a bluff with nut low flush and you turned a hand just slightly too weak to bluff catch into a bluff. nh. I probably fold here too unless you've shown any capacity to bluff raise rivers after taking a passive line. Do you never fold here?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 248.76 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 103.72 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 164.44 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BTN): 192.4 BB
SB: 152.2 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='red'>♥</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 11.4 BB, Hero calls 8.4 BB

Flop: (23.2 BB, 2 players) J<font color='black'>♠</font> 3<font color='red'>♦</font> 6<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB bets 16.6 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

Turn: (56.4 BB, 2 players) T<font color='red'>♥</font>
BB bets 32.2 BB, Hero calls 32.2 BB

River: (120.8 BB, 2 players) Q<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB checks, Hero ???

Too loose of a defend pre? Is it ok 200bbs deep with position? I really feel like I should of raised turn but does that look too strong here? What is your move on river?

Being deep makes me think he's more inclined to check/jam his nutted hands and check call his near nuts out of fear of you jamming. So his checking range is stronger than normal... still probably a bet/fold about half pot vs a fish or bad reg who takes this line with AA/KK/AQ with a check call river.

VS an unknown I might just fold pre. You don't know if youre playing against a 3% range or 15+% Like in this spot, does villian have KQ, QJ, QTss ever? you're flying blind.

 

[akaRobbo]

Put in 1.5k hands yesterday and finished up 4BI, my 60-40 and 70-30s actually held which was nice, heater on the way imo.

79cc, not a fan of firing river v this fish, turn barrel is fine though prob

AQ maybe smaller OTR is better and gets us paid by weaker hands, although if were shoved on we have to pay off which is gross as we're beat a ton. Vs fish it's fine, readless I'm not sure.

 

[IPlay]

We do have 9 high and can fold out higher flush draws and random 4x that got to river. I think I do need to bet turn slightly larger tho

 

[Aces2w1n]

79 hmm wrong opponent we aint getting folds from this guy. So this is spew if it was a reg we had history who folds alot i like.

Aq is bad because against unknowns is 1 thing but being mw just devalues our hand. I dont see villains making enough calling mistakes on flop but sure flush is there.

Turn well brick and appears to not have changed so we are likely still way behind or our vills are just idiots but we dont know. So betting is just burning... remember we can pot control and still get value from busted flush by underrepping or medium pairs. We shouldnt be thinking stacks. Kq all streets is tough

River hits now straights and sets are likely ev r y street is hard... so maybe u got lucky he had kq but unlikely and you ran into a set

 

[IPlay]

I'm never checking turn in AQ hand. I took this line with AQ because of how light I have been getting called down at this stake. I don't think any Qx that makes it to river folds after every thing bricks and his range is mainly Qx and flush draws.

 

[rlzaleski]

That 99 hand, guy is a nit but I am raising out of the small blind. I hate 4 betting and getting shipped on and having to fold.

I was reading Harrington the other night and he says against a Nit who plays back at you just get out of his way, that's all you can do there. Raise him once. If he starts pushing back too often he won't be a NIT any longer , but I don't think you're long term exploitable on bovada unless they recognize how you play.

I agree with thinking about stacks when he plays back, because most of the decent tight players I run into are convinced they have the best hand versus an aggro player. I mean we only ever have trash right?

 

[IPlay]

Speaking of nits and aggro image. Hero has aggro image at table. Nits like to fold right? Is he folding overpairs since two aggro players are likely to have 9x in their range? Regardless though he has tons of cbets he can never continue with here and button probably calls flop bet wide so we should get folds a lot here.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BTN: 274.92 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 186.4 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 34.38, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (BB): 113.96 BB
UTG: 93.2 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
MP: 93.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: T:heart:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 9:heart: 5:diamond: 9:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets 5.32 BB, BTN calls 5.32 BB, Hero raises to 18.56 BB, fold, fold,

 

[Aces2w1n]

How often would that flop bet have to work to be profitable?

 

[IPlay]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 205.16 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
BB: 100.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:club: Q:club:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) J:club: K:club: 9:diamond:
SB checks, BB bets 4.48 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BB, fold

Turn: (17.96 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
BB bets 8.96 BB, Hero raises to 26.16 BB, BB calls 17.2 BB

River: (70.28 BB, 2 players) A:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 30.48 BB, fold,

 

[MinhANguyen]

99 just fold. I just laugh whenever a nitty guy 3-bets me. I'll just keep stealing his blinds, and when he fights back, I snap-fold without the nuts preflop (QQ+/AKo+). JJ/AQs probably don't fare well against his 8% PF raise/0% 3bet stats.

TQs raise flop. So many hands on that board can call you. Any K, any pair + draw, flush draws, etc. Some hands like KJ, JJ, and 99 might even GII here. I think we miss a lot of value here by flatting flop. Lots of cards that can kill our action, and when we raise the turn, it's pretty transparent that we have an absolute monster. When we raise the flop, it could just look like we have a strong but vulnerable hand that doesn't want to get outdrawn on, or we have a draw ourselves. People will call down lighter. When most people donk out on this type of board, a lot of the times they're willing to call at least a flop raise and possibly a turn barrel.

 

[bitowl]

Speaking of nits and aggro image. Hero has aggro image at table. Nits like to fold right? Is he folding overpairs since two aggro players are likely to have 9x in their range?

Seems like spew unless you have a good reason to think button folds a lot tbh. Buttons uncapped and original cbetter probably comes along alot more than we'd like as well.

 

[rlzaleski]

That was a pot sized bet, it's just got to be profitable > 50% of the time right? Win one loose one and you're still even?

I do this all the time in tourneys, I normally don't go so big, but my steal % is pretty high. Some people I continue to play at with air like this, others are NIT's and I believe and shut down. Once in awhile I'll have something and they'll play back at me because they are pissed off I have the audacity to bet everything.

It's about knowing the players though. I don't know that 3-5 hands is enough for that though.

 

[IPlay]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 91.48 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
CO: 100.52 BB (VPIP: 45.16, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 53.96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 33)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG): 143.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: K:spade:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 9.4 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (19.2 BB, 2 players) 9:club: K:club: 7:club:
BB bets 11.6 BB, Hero raises to 30.6 BB, BB calls 19 BB

Turn: (80.4 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 80.4 BB, BB calls 60 BB and is all-in

River: (200.4 BB, 2 players) J:heart:

Only 3 bet hand villain shown down was AQo vs a steal

 

[MinhANguyen]

I think raising the flop overreps our hand. I'd probably take a call, call, fold river or call, bet/fold, check behind/fold river line. His stack-off range and 3-barrel on this type of board should be super strong. I'm expecting to see all flushes, AA, KK, and almost never AK. Also worth noting that the BB/SB generally don't get out of line 3-betting UTG raises. They are up against a stronger range, and they are going to be OOP for the rest of the hand.

 

[akaRobbo]

Agree with above, I can't see how raising flop is optimal.

I call flop and turn if there's no club and think about folding non club rivers if villain is firing again.