Pocketehs is mad, bro. Grinding to 25NL

[OMGITSOVER9K]

nope 3.5 BB/100 is my PT4

which means Im winning like $3.50 every 100 hands right?

7bb = $0.70 lol

 

[pocketehs]

7bb = $0.70 lol

makes way more sense. sorry. longest day

 

[Logan2]

3.5BB/100 = 7bb/100 = 0.70x100 hands = $7x1k hands= $175 for 25k hands @10nl

1.75BB/100 = 3.5bb/100 = 0.35x100 hands = $3.50 x1k hands = $87.50 for 25k hands @10nl

So, if you are winning $86 on 25k hands your WR is 3.5bb/100 or 1.75BB/100.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Most stuff in PT4 is now bb I believe.

 

[orangepeeleo]

yeah pt4 is bb , i thought it was still BB when I got it but its changed.

 

[pocketehs]

but why does it say BB/100 then?


anyone like this?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $12.21
UTG: $4.00 (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 17.59, 3Bet Preflop: 10.06, Hands: 3,691)
MP: $13.08 (VPIP: 33.79, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 8.53, Hands: 825)
CO: $12.35 (VPIP: 23.29, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 17.86, Hands: 77)
BTN: $10.29 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 33)
SB: $13.78 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, BTN raises to $0.90, fold, Hero raises to $2.20, fold, BTN calls $1.30

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) T:heart: 8:club: 3:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.40, Hero raises to $5.20, BTN calls $2.80

Turn: ($15.15, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero bets $4.81 and is all-in, BTN calls $2.89 and is all-in

River: ($20.93, 2 players) 7:heart:


this is a fold OTT right? I just think the only hands he calls a 3bet pre then x/rs the turn is KQ/AK/QQ/KK

F3bet is like 67%

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $10.30
BB: $9.91 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 41)
UTG: $12.74 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 19.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 124)
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 24.36, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.72, Hands: 918)
BTN: $4.00 (VPIP: 20.04, PFR: 17.56, 3Bet Preflop: 10.04, Hands: 3,696)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:club: A:spade:

fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) K:spade: 5:heart: Q:club:
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70, 2 players) 8:heart:
Hero bets $2.70, CO raises to $7.70 and is all-in


What should be out plan here? GII vs draws? x/c all the way down unless board gets worse?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $10.65 (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 25.93, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 51)
SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 21.69, PFR: 16.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 301)
BB: $8.27 (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 82)
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $12.55 (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 96)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:spade: A:heart:

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 7:heart: 5:diamond: 3:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.85

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 1 what is your reasoning for x/r after 4betting? Would you ever x/r AK here as a bluff? And if not, why is x/r better than just betting?

Hand 2 looks like a whole lot of KQ and not much else, but I'm curious what others think.

Hand 3 I don't see how I can fold to the c/r, but I'm not liking any diamond turns, so I kind of like 3betting, but I don't like stacking off either. Conflicted!

 

[Ducky7]

AA hand just cbet and ye as played is fine he never has flushes, well very rarely, also if you gonna c/r the flop which i wouldnt recommend i would set him in if he has less than $3 behind OTT as you can never not set him in

 

[Ducky7]

Hand 2 is lol as i dont know why he would shove KQ or 55 (that he may have peeled with pre) OTT as thats basically all he has and he may aswell let you keep betting as the only scare card possible is for KQ and its an A, i dont know if hes capable of shoving draws here as a semi bluff thats my concern.

 

[pocketehs]

yeah the AK hand pissed me off cause if he had a set or KQ thats literally the best board ever for just letting me barrel off my stack. had QQ though.


been trying to tighten up EP and loosen LP and SB v BB cause apparently Im losing EP and my winrate is too low in LP.

Thoughts?

EP (14%): 22+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+

MP (18%): 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

HJ (18%): 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

CO (32%): 22+, A6s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, A8o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o, 76o

BTN (46%) : 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q6s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, A2o+, K5o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o

SB v BB (46%): 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q6s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, A2o+, K5o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

widen your HJ and take A9s + ATo out of EP

open a few more SC's, but I like pretty stuff.

this should really be a general anyway, widening or tighten depending on villains

 

[dooydoo]

widen your HJ and take A9s + ATo out of EP

open a few more SC's, but I like pretty stuff.

this should really be a general anyway, widening or tighten depending on villains

My open range is solely based on villains. When its your turn, look left. Who is left to act? Who is most likely to call? Who is most likely to raise? What will you do vs a call, vs a raise? How does your hand play vs the person/peoples range most likely to play? What are the post flop tendancies? What kinds of flops will you cbet or not? etc

Once you figure that out then you can fold/call/raise.

quick tip: know how you will react to something before it happens. For ex. if you raise AJo on the btn and get 3b and not sure what to do, you already made a mistake.

If you were to remove any from ep i would remove A9, ATo, KTs, JTs, QTs, KJo. Obviously if theres some bad players left to act (if theres not then leave the table since you are first to act) then you can open these hands.

In mp id add a few of the strongest ones.

Again though open your hand depending on who is left to act.

BB= big bets (2x big blind)
bb= big blinds.

What are some other things you are trying to improve?

 

[pocketehs]

widen your HJ and take A9s + ATo out of EP

open a few more SC's, but I like pretty stuff.

this should really be a general anyway, widening or tighten depending on villains

Yeah def based on villains but I want to build a starting range to work off of. Plus then I have a better idea of what regs open with or what a 18% RFI looks like.

widen it to what? I think i will take A9s/ATo out actually - thanks. add like JTs T9s?

My open range is solely based on villains. When its your turn, look left. Who is left to act? Who is most likely to call? Who is most likely to raise? What will you do vs a call, vs a raise? How does your hand play vs the person/peoples range most likely to play? What are the post flop tendancies? What kinds of flops will you cbet or not? etc

Once you figure that out then you can fold/call/raise.

quick tip: know how you will react to something before it happens. For ex. if you raise AJo on the btn and get 3b and not sure what to do, you already made a mistake.

If you were to remove any from ep i would remove A9, ATo, KTs, JTs, QTs, KJo. Obviously if theres some bad players left to act (if theres not then leave the table since you are first to act) then you can open these hands.

In mp id add a few of the strongest ones.

Again though open your hand depending on who is left to act.

BB= big bets (2x big blind)
bb= big blinds.

What are some other things you are trying to improve?

thanks! i do need to plan a bit more a head I think. Might do review and go over spots thinking like that.

Well my two biggest leaks are calling OOP vs LP steals with broadways and middle equity hands then taking bluff catching lines or just x/f flop or turn. Seriously getting crushed in blind defence scenarios

My other massive leak is folding to too many 3bets (80%). My winrate is pretty high when I call IP vs SB/BB 3bets to my steals which means Im calling too tight.

I also really want to work on what range of hands I should be 3betting / flatting IP. like trying to identify a persons calling range vs a 3bet and what should be profitable 3betting and which would be more profitable calling. Currently have the standard 2 x 3betting ranges:

1. wide 3bet range - vs ppl who never fold for thin value
2. Polarized - vs ppl who fold too much (so more bluffs than value)

 

[dooydoo]

when calling in blinds vs steals you have to look at some factors.
1. how does the villain play post? Does he have a high cbet and low turn cbet? Does he have a low cbet ( only cb for value)?

2. pick hands that have some kind of equity like broadways or suited connector type things and look to not xf post. When the flop comes look to xr a lot or xc. xr with your semibluff hands like KJo on T43 or 87s on TK2 and your strong hands like 88 on 87J. xc your weaker made hands like JT on KT3 its also ok to xr or xc bigger draws like AhQh on Jh7h3c because with overs, bd straight and flush draw you have a lot of outs and can afford to call.

3. if you xr know what cards to barrel. Barrel overcards regardless if they help you or not like you have 87 on T23 K. Barrel cards that give you equity. So dont just semibluff and give up, keep up the aggression.

4. Float good flops if he has a high cbet low turn cbet. Also xc and leading turn is a good one vs them.

5. If he has a low cbet, consider leading the flop

6. bet turn if flopped xed through and follow up on many rivers.

Basically dont try to make your hand when you call, try to play back. Dont go nuts though and spew.

At 10nl folding to too many 3bets cant be that bad. Barely anyone is going to exploit you. I hope you exploit those types though! Most players tend to have a range leaning toward nutted hands when they 3bet so folding a lot is ok. You can take a set mine line as well vs the tight 3bettors as they probably wont fold overpairs or top pair. But in general i prefer a fold much more often than any other line vs the majority. Only when i know a guy has a loose 3b range based on sample size and showdowns i will do something about it. 4betting is another option to folding but again you have to be pretty selective with it.

Your 3b ranges are fine and what they should be. Just make sure when you 3b for value that your hand is actually a value hand. I see players get it all in with AK pre so often when its not a value hand because of the villain. Just call preflop rather than 3b fold or 3b shove AK. QQ is quite often overvalued too.

 

[pocketehs]

35/20 fish with 8% 3bet



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($16)
Hero (SB) ($18.88)
BB ($18.63)
UTG ($18.81)
Villain (MP) ($30.47)
CO ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

, 8

1 fold, Villain bets $0.48, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.12) 8

, 4

, J

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks

Turn: ($1.12) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, Villain raises to $2.08, Hero raises to $5.92, Villain calls $3.84

River: ($12.96) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.80, Villain raises to $17.60, Hero calls $3.68 (All-In)


Vs reg. 20/16 4% 3bet

- dont even really like cbetting anymore but we get there. Easy raise for value on river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($17.47)
Hero (Button) ($18.35)
SB ($18.58)
Villain (BB) ($16.33)
UTG ($4.39)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, Q

UTG calls $0.16, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.64, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.48, UTG calls $0.48

Flop: ($2) K

, 7

, K

(3 players)
Villain checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.12, Villain calls $1.12, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.24) 9

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.24) J

(2 players)
Villain bets $2.24, Hero ???

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I feel like you wouldn't have posted hand 1 if it weren't something gross like JJ. Do we have any stats on villain's cbet %? I feel like he would cbet overpairs, and the 5 on the turn doesn't change the board at all or help his range really. But I don't see how we can not GII here. Would need some sick reads that he can only have JJ here I think. You said he's a fish so we have to assume some spaz factor. Think we have to shove the river or bet small though. Silly to not ~pot it all in.

Hand 2, cbet seems fine against most villains though obv it's a bit thin 3way (cbet looks stronger 3way too though). Paired board isn't a bad spot to do it. Good check behind on the turn imo, since villain can't have much beside Kx and maybe some sticky PPs. I think we have to value raise the river because he's got sooo so so much Kx here that he can't fold to a smallish raise. I prob don't quit cib, but I prob make it like $5.

 

[Yoshimiii]

35/20 fish with 8% 3bet



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($16)
Hero (SB) ($18.88)
BB ($18.63)
UTG ($18.81)
Villain (MP) ($30.47)
CO ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

, 8

1 fold, Villain bets $0.48, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.12) 8

, 4

, J

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks

Turn: ($1.12) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, Villain raises to $2.08, Hero raises to $5.92, Villain calls $3.84

River: ($12.96) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.80, Villain raises to $17.60, Hero calls $3.68 (All-In)


Vs reg. 20/16 4% 3bet

- dont even really like cbetting anymore but we get there. Easy raise for value on river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($17.47)
Hero (Button) ($18.35)
SB ($18.58)
Villain (BB) ($16.33)
UTG ($4.39)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, Q

UTG calls $0.16, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.64, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.48, UTG calls $0.48

Flop: ($2) K

, 7

, K

(3 players)
Villain checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.12, Villain calls $1.12, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.24) 9

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.24) J

(2 players)
Villain bets $2.24, Hero ???

Hand 1: Ship river instead. If he calls $8 bet, he calls all in bet. Just leaving money on the table.
Hand 2: Raise/Fold to a re-raise/shove on river.

 

[pocketehs]

Hand 1: Ship river instead. If he calls $8 bet, he calls all in bet. Just leaving money on the table.
Hand 2: Raise/Fold to a re-raise/shove on river.

H1: what does he raise the turn that he didnt cbet the river? isnt it just 67?

H2: Alright cool. i just thought if I min raised the river it would be bad to fold to a shove

 

[igySK]

h2: what is his fold to cbet stat? I think we should bet on turn, we picked up a GS and he's gonna fold 22-88 which could be a big part of his range. As played raise/fold on river.

 

[Yoshimiii]

H1: what does he raise the turn that he didnt cbet the river? isnt it just 67?

H2: Alright cool. i just thought if I min raised the river it would be bad to fold to a shove

h1: He's a fish, not folding a set here to him for 100bb's. Don't know why he checks turn back/raises river, he probably does have the straight but you're pot committed anyway. You have to bet river for value and then call it off as you're pot committed.

h2: you don't need to min-raise the river, a raise of $6~ will do and you can just fold to a shove,

 

[Matt Vaughan]

H2: Raise folding that river is bad imo... If we don't think he can overvalue Kx then why are we raising to begin with? If he is willing to call a raise with a bare Kx he is likely willing to shove it sometimes too.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

we're not raise folding a straight when villains retarded enough to shove Kx without a boat

 

[Ducky7]

Ye dont raise the straight hand, feels nitty to only call off but nothing worse calls unless hes a fish

 

[pocketehs]

Hand 2 - agree that im not every raise/folding but i just wanted to see if ppl are raising the river or just calling. I mean the hands that beat us are KJ/K9/JJ/99/K7/77. I just couldnt bring decide if river was a value raise or not. Like Im trying to get calls from AK (maybe) /KQ/KT/ so I thought it was kind of thin?

Hand 1 - I just dont get his line other than 67 and maybe JJ? like the check OTF then x/r OTT seem nutted to me or am I just giving the villain too much credit?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 1, unless he's nitty post or passive etc, I don't see getting away from 2nd set here.