Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[cese1962]

The downside of playing with many Fish

The downside of playing with many Fish
In poker at times something happen Unexpected with the table presenting bad cards.
As some inexperienced play anyway with "all in" with little loggia, in many cases they earn more by luck than by knowing how to play.

 

[John A]

Those are the ones I coldcall. In fact, those are the only ones I coldcall. 77+ is generally a 3-bet.

Yeah, the 0.6% seemed a bit low, considering I coldcall small pairs.
Is 20K hands enough of a sample size, though? I'm only BTN or CO 1/3 of the time. Let's say 7K hands. I'm only getting 22-66 2.3% of the time so about 158 times. And it's facing an early raise which, with the TAGs at my tables is going to be what? 15% of the time? So we're talking about a theoretical 23-24 times. Would it be that weird if it only happened 10 times?

No, it's too small of a sample size, but you're 3-betting 77+? why?

 

[Sneaky Feet]

What's up y'all? Thoughts on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

MP ($6.63)
CO ($5)
Button ($5.14)
Hero (SB) ($6.74)
BB ($6.88)
UTG ($5.14)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

, 7

UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Button calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 8

, 8

, 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.28, Button raises to $0.56, Hero????

 

[TimovieMan]

No, it's too small of a sample size, but you're 3-betting 77+? why?

77 and 88 depend on the opponent, sometimes I coldcall, sometimes I raise.

Most of the TAGs at my tables have a very high Fold to 3-bet %, so with 77 and 88 a 3-bet is partly for value, partly to increase my fold equity postflop, and partly to just take it down on the spot.

What's up y'all? Thoughts on the turn?
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.28, Button raises to $0.56, Hero????

Easy flop fold?

 

[rhombus]

I think betting the turn is fine in hand 1. I don't know what you beat that he's reraising you on the turn with though.

Hand 2 it seems that the villain is too aggressive. I lean towards calling down but there's certainly no point in calling the turn if we're not calling pretty much all rivers.

Hand 3 sucks because of the runout. I think I just fold on the end.

I think against someone aggressive it's better to just check the turn here. Allow them to be their floats, etc.. As played, you obviously can't bet/fold.



If it wasn't MW I'd say raise the turn, but as played, just call down. He's aggressive, he's most likely not bluffing with that sizing and being MW, so you're looking for an overplayed Kx which looks very viable based on the only 10 hands you have on him.

On these kinds of mid wet boards I'm not a fan of CRing. If someone bets on this board, they should have a hand most of the time, so you're just bloating the pot. C/C, lead the turn. As played, on that runout I'd give up on the river. Not enough info to know what kind of opponent you're again, and it's another reason I'd be folding pre-flop also.

Looks like I failed
Hand 1 already seen and failed with
Hand 2 I actually nit folded, I thought at the time they were playing tight, either a misread or maybe the HUD only shows total stats for villain and not at the time of the hand. Once he CR the flop it was heads up and looking at the stats now should definitley called turn and River
Hand 3 I bet $3.46 into $7.35 on the River. They also had a flush draw but KT and hit they flopped a Ten.

Re Checkraising the flop to balance are you not checkraising wet boards with good draws and sticking to pure value and air

i.e. on TJ4 two tone are you CR Sets and what kind or air are you doing it with. Then calling with Overpairs and the kind of draw I had flush, overcard and a gutshot

 

[John A]

Looks like I failed
Hand 1 already seen and failed with
Hand 2 I actually nit folded, I thought at the time they were playing tight, either a misread or maybe the HUD only shows total stats for villain and not at the time of the hand. Once he CR the flop it was heads up and looking at the stats now should definitley called turn and River
Hand 3 I bet $3.46 into $7.35 on the River. They also had a flush draw but KT and hit they flopped a Ten.

Re Checkraising the flop to balance are you not checkraising wet boards with good draws and sticking to pure value and air

i.e. on TJ4 two tone are you CR Sets and what kind or air are you doing it with. Then calling with Overpairs and the kind of draw I had flush, overcard and a gutshot

No I don't typically CR TJ two of a suit boards because if people are betting those, they tend to connect to them. Lower flops with 2 of a suit like 76s etc, if I have a draw I will CR. I balance more by CR gutshots, some times top pair against better players, etc...

 

[John A]

What's up y'all? Thoughts on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

MP ($6.63)
CO ($5)
Button ($5.14)
Hero (SB) ($6.74)
BB ($6.88)
UTG ($5.14)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

, 7

UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Button calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 8

, 8

, 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.28, Button raises to $0.56, Hero????

Fold... even if you're ahead, it's not by much. You've only invested 3 bbs, and if you are behind, you have very little equity to improve.

 

[John A]

77 and 88 depend on the opponent, sometimes I coldcall, sometimes I raise.

Most of the TAGs at my tables have a very high Fold to 3-bet %, so with 77 and 88 a 3-bet is partly for value, partly to increase my fold equity postflop, and partly to just take it down on the spot.


Easy flop fold?

I mean there can be spots against certain opponents to 3-bet those hands, but I think it can mostly be more profitable to flat those hands up to TT.

 

[or3o1990]

With the pp's I like to 3bet loose openers with the low ones and flat against tighter openers. I'm usually 3betting 99 and 10 10 for what I assume to be value? I think this is ok. I haven't ran any filters though.

 

[rhombus]

With the pp's I like to 3bet loose openers with the low ones and flat against tighter openers. I'm usually 3betting 99 and 10 10 for what I assume to be value? I think this is ok. I haven't ran any filters though.

is that just from the blinds??

 

[or3o1990]

No that's just in general. I choose set mine from the blinds more often than I do in position.

 

[John A]

With the pp's I like to 3bet loose openers with the low ones and flat against tighter openers. I'm usually 3betting 99 and 10 10 for what I assume to be value? I think this is ok. I haven't ran any filters though.

You don't want to be static about anything, but I flat 99/TT more than I 3-bet it. I 3-bet it when appropriate, but for the most part I'd prefer to keep my opponents weaker range in and flop a high set when I do hit a set.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

1. Can we play this any other way?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($6.65)
BB ($7.63)
UTG ($5.99)
MP ($3.07)
Button ($5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

1 fold, MP raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) 8

, 8

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($1.05) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($1.05) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Total pot: $1.05 | Rake: $0.04

 

[Figaroo2]

You could bet the flop to protect your hand get value from medium pairs. not happy to give free cards to the many draws that are available on this board.
Turn is a bad card do I don't mind checking the turn. Once he checks the turn thin value should be available from 99 TT JJ. Id be looking closely at his stats to see how often he limps as to gauge how likely these hands are.
he won't call much with the King out there which hits our ranges so 30% pot max. As he's double checked Broadways look likely so I'm never betting too much in case he has a random king. Folding to a raise.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

You could bet the flop to protect your hand get value from medium pairs. not happy to give free cards to the many draws that are available on this board.
Turn is a bad card do I don't mind checking the turn. Once he checks the turn thin value should be available from 99 TT JJ. Id be looking closely at his stats to see how often he limps as to gauge how likely these hands are.
he won't call much with the King out there which hits our ranges so 30% pot max. As he's double checked Broadways look likely so I'm never betting too much in case he has a random king. Folding to a raise.

I was hoping for to check raise the flop but when he checked behind that tossed that idea out the window. I like the 30% on the river too but I was a little concerned with how coordinated the board was. I wasn't really sure of how often they'd bluff raise my 30%. Sounds a little passive eh?

 

[Sneaky Feet]

By the way, does anyone have any good reading material about blockers? I'm pretty weak in this area.

 

[rhombus]

By the way, does anyone have any good reading material about blockers? I'm pretty weak in this area.

try this it helped me alot
[ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/LEGO-Official-Annual-2016-Annuals/dp/0241198046"]LEGO Official Annual 2016 (Annuals 2016): Amazon.co.uk: 9780241198049: Books[/ame]

 

[rhombus]

if the above doesnt help try

http://www.gripsed.com/enthusiast/blocker-cards

http://www.pokernews.com/strategy/f...ockers-to-improve-your-hand-reading-19960.htm

http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMagazine/Card-removal-and-river-frequencies_96.aspx

 

[Sneaky Feet]

try this it helped me alot
[ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/LEGO-Official-Annual-2016-Annuals/dp/0241198046"]LEGO Official Annual 2016 (Annuals 2016): Amazon.co.uk: 9780241198049: Books[/ame]

Lol that's awesome 😀 Thanks Rhom!

 

[Sneaky Feet]

if the above doesnt help try

http://www.gripsed.com/enthusiast/blocker-cards

http://www.pokernews.com/strategy/f...ockers-to-improve-your-hand-reading-19960.htm

http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMagazine/Card-removal-and-river-frequencies_96.aspx

Perfect thanks dude

 

[KapitoshkaOB]

By the way, does anyone have any good reading material about blockers? I'm pretty weak in this area.

Ask your friend, it seems like something mastered

 

[John A]

1. Can we play this any other way?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($6.65)
BB ($7.63)
UTG ($5.99)
MP ($3.07)
Button ($5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

1 fold, MP raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) 8

, 8

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($1.05) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($1.05) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Total pot: $1.05 | Rake: $0.04

Why aren't you betting? All of that aside, even just a the river, what was your plan there? How much would you call if your opponent bet?

 

[John A]

if the above doesnt help try

http://www.gripsed.com/enthusiast/blocker-cards

http://www.pokernews.com/strategy/f...ockers-to-improve-your-hand-reading-19960.htm

http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMagazine/Card-removal-and-river-frequencies_96.aspx

Postflop Blockers & Combos | SplitSuit - YouTube
Poker Concept - Nut Flush Draw Blockers - YouTube

Thanks Rhom.

I have a good hand that I'm stealing from the cash game thread to blog about. It deals some w/ blockers - but it's more specifically on hand reading and combo counting. I'll post it up when I've written it up.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Ask your friend, it seems like something mastered

I like to ask all my friends. Are you my friend? You can be if you like. I have room for more friends 😉

Did I just make this creepy? Maybe the winky face was a little much ....

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Why aren't you betting? All of that aside, even just a the river, what was your plan there? How much would you call if your opponent bet?

Good question.... Maybe a 30% bet on the river? It would have been a stretch to call a 1/2 pot bet here I think.

The only reason I didn't lead was I was looking to check raise. As played I didn't get that chance but that does lend to another question. Would this have been a good spot to check raise?