Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[or3o1990]

Sounds like a tough spot! But I know how that stuff goes. I can remember how nuts my dad was when me and my brothers played sports at children. He got kicked out of a few pee wee football games lol.

 

[John A]

Sounds like a tough spot! But I know how that stuff goes. I can remember how nuts my dad was when me and my brothers played sports at children. He got kicked out of a few pee wee football games lol.

Yeah, it's pretty intense. It's really surprising to me honestly.

So checkup. How is everyone doing w/ their poker? I'm intensely focused on finishing up the launch for a new product. What's that's out I'm hoping to finish up Vol. III of polished poker, which I'm trying to structure more like a complete system of how to profitably grind online games. In the meantime, what can we address?

Do you guys want to bring more people into this group, or keep it about how it is?

 

[Figaroo2]

So checkup. How is everyone doing w/ their poker? In the meantime, what can we address?

Do you guys want to bring more people into this group, or keep it about how it is?

Lol I feel so stuck in my ways in cash games, I feel like I should be playing higher but I'm still not beating 10nl to the levels I want to/should be.

I've just started playing more 5nl 6max just so I can keep experimenting and pushing myself out of my comfort zones. Do you think this is the right way to go in the short term?
I could do with running a few more sweats with others, quite a few people seem to dip in and out of this group you see them for a few weeks and then they disappear. If bringing in a few more people would help that would be good.

I'm not about volume grinding at the moment, it's still about improving. I don't and won't have much time for volume until at least October when work should change. I'm still trying to work my way through all the Zion material.

If anyone sees me online on skype then please don't be shy about contacting me for sweats. I usually only log onto skype when I'm playing.

What can we address? Well I'm still struggling with aggression in the correct spots and bluffing on the river, I can see spots but am not pulling the trigger.

 

[Figaroo2]

Good river bluff spot?

Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.60 (212 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, hands: 60
BB: $5.28 (105.6 bb)
UTG+1: $4.75 (95 bb)
UTG+2: $5.15 (103 bb)
MP1: $5 (100 bb)
MP2: $2 (40 bb)
Hero (MP3): $7.93 (158.6 bb)
CO: $3.17 (63.4 bb)
BTN: $4.93 (98.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, SB calls $0.12, BB folds

Flop: ($0.33) T

K

6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.16, SB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.65) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.65) K

(2 players)
SB bets $0.20,
Hero?

Ok If I open this hand I know I'm going to have to bluff a fair amount.

Is this guy too tight to bluff? If we decide to bluff what sizing?
Comments on whether this board is too wet?
I've been playing quite loose here. Villain has 0% WTSD and his small sizing looks weak, but is it an attempt to get me to spazz? So many questions still!

 

[John A]

Lol I feel so stuck in my ways in cash games, I feel like I should be playing higher but I'm still not beating 10nl to the levels I want to/should be.

I've just started playing more 5nl 6max just so I can keep experimenting and pushing myself out of my comfort zones. Do you think this is the right way to go in the short term?
I could do with running a few more sweats with others, quite a few people seem to dip in and out of this group you see them for a few weeks and then they disappear. If bringing in a few more people would help that would be good.

I'm not about volume grinding at the moment, it's still about improving. I don't and won't have much time for volume until at least October when work should change. I'm still trying to work my way through all the Zion material.

If anyone sees me online on skype then please don't be shy about contacting me for sweats. I usually only log onto skype when I'm playing.

What can we address? Well I'm still struggling with aggression in the correct spots and bluffing on the river, I can see spots but am not pulling the trigger.

Yeah... I hear you. I'll think of some areas to address balanced aggression and e can talk about it in group and on here.

I think you're playing well, but if that was one area I would point to, I'd say your aggression needs to pick up in more spots. You'll get there.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.60 (212 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 60
BB: $5.28 (105.6 bb)
UTG+1: $4.75 (95 bb)
UTG+2: $5.15 (103 bb)
MP1: $5 (100 bb)
MP2: $2 (40 bb)
Hero (MP3): $7.93 (158.6 bb)
CO: $3.17 (63.4 bb)
BTN: $4.93 (98.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, SB calls $0.12, BB folds

Flop: ($0.33) T

K

6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.16, SB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.65) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.65) K

(2 players)
SB bets $0.20,
Hero?

Ok If I open this hand I know I'm going to have to bluff a fair amount.

Is this guy too tight to bluff? If we decide to bluff what sizing?
Comments on whether this board is too wet?
I've been playing quite loose here. Villain has 0% WTSD and his small sizing looks weak, but is it an attempt to get me to spazz? So many questions still!

No, it's not. But against this kind of opponent I'd mostly either barrel that turn trying to move him off Kx / Tx, or just give up. But no, not a good river spot imho because the only thing you're trying to push him off of now is Tx.

 

[rhombus]

Yeah, it's pretty intense. It's really surprising to me honestly.

So checkup. How is everyone doing w/ their poker? I'm intensely focused on finishing up the launch for a new product. What's that's out I'm hoping to finish up Vol. III of polished poker, which I'm trying to structure more like a complete system of how to profitably grind online games. In the meantime, what can we address?

Do you guys want to bring more people into this group, or keep it about how it is?

Sometimes its difficult to know what you are struggling with. With me its more Post flop than preflop.

Half the time I don't even know the basics and my mind goes blank regarding When to Bet/Check/Raise/Fold/Pot Control etc

 

[Figaroo2]

Sometimes its difficult to know what you are struggling with. With me its more Post flop than preflop.

Half the time I don't even know the basics and my mind goes blank regarding When to Bet/Check/Raise/Fold/Pot Control etc

Rhom have a look at week 7 of the Zion Roots course (if you have access) regarding post flop betting.

 

[Figaroo2]

Marginal spot on the river

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $18.43 (184.3 bb)
BB: $13.30 (133 bb)
UTG+1: $13.09 (130.9 bb)
UTG+2: $5.54 (55.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $5 (50 bb)
MP3: $9.50 (95 bb) VPIP: 44, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 82
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $11.18 (111.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9

9

UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.43, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.43, 6 folds

Flop: ($1.21) 2

7

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.21, MP3 calls $1.21

Turn: ($3.63) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.81, MP3 calls $1.81

River: ($7.25) 8

(2 players)
Hero?

The villain is a confirmed fish and slightly steaming after recently getting stacked.
He is aggressive on the river and will likely shove if we check.

I think we beat as many combos of smaller pairs and 7x as lose to combos of sets, 2 pairs flushes and overpairs. Its clearly marginal to me.
So I'm thinking 2/5th pot size on the river folding to a raise.
Any comments on sizing flop/turn/river?

 

[rhombus]

Rhom have a look at week 7 of the Zion Roots course (if you have access) regarding post flop betting.

Thanks. I have access to the courses just haven't had time to go through them. Will definitely check it out

 

[John A]

Sometimes its difficult to know what you are struggling with. With me its more Post flop than preflop.

Half the time I don't even know the basics and my mind goes blank regarding When to Bet/Check/Raise/Fold/Pot Control etc

Your game is looking much much better overall. It's a process, like everything in life. You have those plateau times, and then you have a break through moments that click in for you and then you move to the next level.

Are you numbers above for full ring? It didn't say 6max in the description from HM.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $18.43 (184.3 bb)
BB: $13.30 (133 bb)
UTG+1: $13.09 (130.9 bb)
UTG+2: $5.54 (55.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $5 (50 bb)
MP3: $9.50 (95 bb) VPIP: 44, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 82
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $11.18 (111.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9

9

UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.43, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.43, 6 folds

Flop: ($1.21) 2

7

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.21, MP3 calls $1.21

Turn: ($3.63) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.81, MP3 calls $1.81

River: ($7.25) 8

(2 players)
Hero?

The villain is a confirmed fish and slightly steaming after recently getting stacked.
He is aggressive on the river and will likely shove if we check.

I think we beat as many combos of smaller pairs and 7x as lose to combos of sets, 2 pairs flushes and overpairs. Its clearly marginal to me.
So I'm thinking 2/5th pot size on the river folding to a raise.
Any comments on sizing flop/turn/river?

I'd bet a little less on the flop. The turn looks good. I'd check the river and let him shove if he's steaming. If that's your read, then I think that's your highest EV line. If he was just a fish, I might just bet river. He might even think he has a better 2 pair if he hit 78 and pay off big. But on the whole I like c/c on the river w/ your read.

 

[Figaroo2]

I'd bet a little less on the flop. The turn looks good. I'd check the river and let him shove if he's steaming. If that's your read, then I think that's your highest EV line. If he was just a fish, I might just bet river. He might even think he has a better 2 pair if he hit 78 and pay off big. But on the whole I like c/c on the river w/ your read.

Thanks John,
Would you ever be betting full pot on the flop here against a fish?
If yes how strong should we be, (I'm thinking QQ+)
I was betting full pot for a combination of value and protection here.

 

[rhombus]

Your game is looking much much better overall. It's a process, like everything in life. You have those plateau times, and then you have a break through moments that click in for you and then you move to the next level.

Are you numbers above for full ring? It didn't say 6max in the description from HM.

All 6Max, I don't play FR, Not Sure where the Fixed Limit appeared from, must be when I played a short session of 20/40 8Game

Last stats I posted were since Jan 2015, this one is just for this year

 

[John A]

Thanks John,
Would you ever be betting full pot on the flop here against a fish?
If yes how strong should we be, (I'm thinking QQ+)
I was betting full pot for a combination of value and protection here.

JJ+ is better for those spots. You want value, and you want to make sure they aren't going to fold. There's just not much on that flop and you don't want to bloat it too much OOP w/o a strong hand against someone that you think is overly aggressive. That would just be my general approach.

 

[John A]

All 6Max, I don't play FR, Not Sure where the Fixed Limit appeared from, must be when I played a short session of 20/40 8Game

Last stats I posted were since Jan 2015, this one is just for this year

Well, your stats look pretty solid overall. Time to focus more on 25nl?

 

[rhombus]

think i need to beat all the lower levels first

 

[Figaroo2]

Sweat highs and lows

Started well. bet bet bet against the fish. And look at the number of fish in this barrel!

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $30 (100 bb)
BB: $14.44 (48.1 bb)
UTG+2: $30 (100 bb)
MP1: $21.08 (70.3 bb)
MP2: $12 (40 bb) VPIP: 69, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 13
MP3: $39.72 (132.4 bb)
CO: $15.93 (53.1 bb)
BTN: $22.61 (75.4 bb) VPIP: 48, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 23

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

7

MP2 posts BB OOP, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.45, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30

Flop: ($3.30) 7

Q

2

(5 players)
Hero bets $1.65, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1.65, BTN calls $1.65

Turn: ($8.25) 2

(3 players)
Hero bets $4.12, MP2 calls $4.12, BTN calls $4.12

River: ($20.61) 4

(3 players)
Hero bets $20.61, MP2 folds, BTN calls $16.24 and is all-in

Results: $53.09 pot ($2.65 rake)
Final Board: 7

Q

2

2

4

Hero showed 7

7

and won $50.44 ($27.83 net)
MP2 mucked and lost (-$6.37 net)
BTN showed 2

A

and lost (-$22.61 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

Then we take a low blow and walk into a monster

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $11.43 (57.2 bb) VPIP: 56, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 64
BB: $8.72 (43.6 bb)
MP1: $39.97 (199.9 bb)
MP2: $14.49 (72.5 bb)
MP3: $16.97 (84.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $20.54 (102.7 bb)
BTN: $36.51 (182.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8

8

MP1 raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

Flop: ($2.60) 3

Q

8

(4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets $1.95, Hero calls $1.95, BTN folds, SB raises to $8.28, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $14.61, SB calls $2.55 and is all-in

Turn: ($26.21) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($26.21) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $26.21 pot ($1.31 rake)
Final Board: 3

Q

8

J

T

SB showed 9

Q

and won $24.90 ($13.47 net)
MP1 mucked and lost (-$2.55 net)
Hero showed 8

8

and lost (-$11.43 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.60 net)
Stinker

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $33.53 (167.7 bb)
BB: $21.98 (109.9 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $23.94 (119.7 bb)
MP1: $20 (100 bb)
MP2: $14.35 (71.8 bb) VPIP: 62, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 65
MP3: $35.75 (178.8 bb)
CO: $14.03 (70.2 bb)
BTN: $19.79 (99 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 7

7

Hero raises to $0.60, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.60, 4 folds, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.90) A

7

A

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.95, MP2 calls $0.95, BB folds

Turn: ($3.80) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.85, MP2 raises to $5.70, Hero raises to $17.10, MP2 calls $7.10 and is all-in

River: ($29.40) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $29.40 pot ($1.47 rake)
Final Board: A

7

A

9

3

Hero showed 7

7

and lost (-$14.35 net)
MP2 showed A

A

and won $27.93 ($13.58 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

Maybe could have played this one differently

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $20 (100 bb)
BB: $9.13 (45.7 bb)
UTG+1: $29.64 (148.2 bb)
UTG+2: $13.49 (67.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.16 (125.8 bb)
MP2: $7.70 (38.5 bb)
MP3: $19.61 (98.1 bb) VPIP: 28, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 29
CO: $33.10 (165.5 bb)
BTN: $22.43 (112.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Q

UTG+1 raises to $0.60, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $2.10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.10, 5 folds
we were getting called 4 or 5 times with regular sizing so I'd started bumping it up preflop

Flop: ($5.10) 6

2

3

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.82, MP3 calls $3.82

Turn: ($12.74) 8

(2 players)
Not sure what he has now lets see what he does Hero checks,
MP3 bets $3.60, Hero raises to $19.24, MP3 calls $10.09 and is all-in looking to get paid off here by 99 TT JJ

River: ($40.12) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $40.12 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: 6

2

3

8

J

Hero showed Q

Q

and won $0.00 (-$19.61 net)
MP3 showed K

K

and won $38.12 ($18.51 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

The ship is leaking but we turn it around by taking the same fish to the felt twice

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $32.71 (109 bb)
BB: $32.77 (109.2 bb)
MP1: $33.20 (110.7 bb)
MP2: $34.42 (114.7 bb) VPIP: 45, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 77
MP3: $32.88 (109.6 bb)
CO: $58.75 (195.8 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

8

MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.45, BB folds

Flop: ($1.50) A

6

8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.87, MP2 calls $3.37

Turn: ($11.24) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.43, MP2 calls $8.43

River: ($28.10) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $18.81, MP2 calls $18.81

Results: $65.72 pot ($3.28 rake)
Final Board: A

6

8

J

J

Hero showed 8

8

and won $62.44 ($29.73 net)
MP2 showed K

A

and lost (-$32.71 net)

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $22.39 (74.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $59.89 (199.6 bb)
UTG: $33.33 (111.1 bb)
MP: $27.96 (93.2 bb)
CO: $17.93 (59.8 bb) VPIP: 45, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 77
BTN: $40.63 (135.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

A

2 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.35, CO calls $1.05

Flop: ($2.85) 5

7

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.13, CO raises to $16.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.45

Turn: ($36.01) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($36.01) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $36.01 pot ($1.80 rake)
Final Board: 5

7

Q

K

7

Hero showed A

A

and won $34.21 ($16.28 net)
CO showed A

Q

and lost (-$17.93 net)
OWNED

 

[Figaroo2]

one last funny one

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $8.19 (41 bb) FISH
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $56.66 (283.3 bb)
MP1: $5.61 (28.1 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $34.14 (170.7 bb)
CO: $55.33 (276.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $22.17 (110.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

9

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.57, SB calls $0.47, BB folds

Flop: ($1.34) 7

8

J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.34) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.34) T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $7.62 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.62

Results: $16.58 pot ($0.82 rake)
Final Board: 7

8

J

2

T

SB showed T

3

and lost (-$8.19 net)
Hero showed A

9

and won $15.76 ($7.57 net)

yes we chuckled, not sure why I wasn't betting this flop but this was just after having walked into the quads and i was truamatized as Tim can verify, thanks for the sweat buddy.

 

[TimovieMan]

The ship is leaking but we turn it around by taking the same fish to the felt twice


OWNED

I don't recall these. You cleaned him up after I left? Good!

Obviously you run better when I'm not watching.

I assume you got back in the green with these?

 

[Figaroo2]

I don't recall these. You cleaned him up after I left? Good!
Obviously you run better when I'm not watching.
I assume you got back in the green with these?

Yes those two hands and a couple of others not posted, just after you went and I posted the final session figures in the sweaties skype thread. it was something like +$42 Despite the beats there were so many fish I wanted to keep playing. It doesn't make sense to quit when there are fish like that around. It also helped that the full stacks I won were both on the 30nl tables and the beats were on the 20nl.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $20 (100 bb)
BB: $9.13 (45.7 bb)
UTG+1: $29.64 (148.2 bb)
UTG+2: $13.49 (67.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.16 (125.8 bb)
MP2: $7.70 (38.5 bb)
MP3: $19.61 (98.1 bb) VPIP: 28, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 29
CO: $33.10 (165.5 bb)
BTN: $22.43 (112.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Q

UTG+1 raises to $0.60, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $2.10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.10, 5 folds
we were getting called 4 or 5 times with regular sizing so I'd started bumping it up preflop

Flop: ($5.10) 6

2

3

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.82, MP3 calls $3.82

Turn: ($12.74) 8

(2 players)
Not sure what he has now lets see what he does Hero checks,
MP3 bets $3.60, Hero raises to $19.24, MP3 calls $10.09 and is all-in looking to get paid off here by 99 TT JJ

River: ($40.12) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $40.12 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: 6

2

3

8

J

Hero showed Q

Q

and won $0.00 (-$19.61 net)
MP3 showed K

K

and won $38.12 ($18.51 net)

nh.