Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Figaroo2]

How much to bet on the TURN?

Villain is a passive pretty bad reg

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $25.26 (126.3 bb)
BB: $21.79 (109 bb)
UTG+1: $14.55 (72.8 bb)
UTG+2: $8.75 (43.8 bb)
MP1: $7.65 (38.3 bb)
MP2: $20.44 (102.2 bb) VPIP: 17, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 1730
MP3: $22.07 (110.4 bb)
CO: $15.21 (76.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $27.44 (137.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

7

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.45, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.65) Q

7

T

(3 players)
MP2 bets $1.23, CO calls $1.23, Hero raises to $4.10, MP2 calls $2.87, CO folds

Turn: ($11.08) 7

(2 players)
MP2 checks,
Hero bets how much?

 

[Aces2w1n]

id bet round 50 55%

if hes that bad check turn and shove river

 

[rhombus]

He's passive so unlikely to do the betting for you. 7 doesn't change much I'd bet about 6 on turn and his last 10 on river
He probably has AQ KQ or Ax with Ah or Kx with Kh

 

[Ian the Fish]

Since it's an obvious value bet, I feel like it's better to bet smaller than half pot, so that the villian gets just the right price to call / gets an opportunity to XR, which is ideal. Knowing that, I'd make it about 1/3 pot, as it could seem to the reg that I possibly flopped a strong draw and am trying to get a relatively cheap river by sort of block-betting.

If he folds, he was nowhere near what his calling range on the flop stated after you raised. If he just calls, there is a chance he fills up / hits his draw, so there is a chance that he'd XC or even bet himself on the river (highly unlikely though).

Judging by his passivity, he could invest some more money given the right price. I feel like he could have the ace of hearts in his hand, potentially w/ a strong combo draw. Also, there is a chance he flopped a flush. Either way, if the turn bet is small enough, there is a better chance he'd invest on a draw.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Since it's an obvious value bet, I feel like it's better to bet smaller than half pot, so that the villian gets just the right price to call / gets an opportunity to XR, which is ideal. Knowing that, I'd make it about 1/3 pot, as it could seem to the reg that I possibly flopped a strong draw and am trying to get a relatively cheap river by sort of block-betting.

If he folds, he was nowhere near what his calling range on the flop stated after you raised. If he just calls, there is a chance he fills up / hits his draw, so there is a chance that he'd XC or even bet himself on the river (highly unlikely though).

Judging by his passivity, he could invest some more money given the right price. I feel like he could have the ace of hearts in his hand, potentially w/ a strong combo draw. Also, there is a chance he flopped a flush. Either way, if the turn bet is small enough, there is a better chance he'd invest on a draw.

cant expect a passive guy to check raise

if hes going to call 1/3 he will call half.

since we see this guy a lot perhaps only betting 1/3 being weak or nuts could be exploitable. Especially if he does check raise everytime we do this but ofc he wont unless he has nut flush already and if thats the case then it doesnt matter what size

 

[Figaroo2]

Yeah I seem to remember John saying bet small in these situations, something easy to call for even a weak draw. We clearly don't want to price him out of drawing as if he ideally makes a flush or a boat we are going to get more on the end. It was simply a case of how much.
Despite his overall passivity he still bet strongly into 2 players on the flop and called the flop raise. For a player like this to hang around here he has to reasonably strong. I was thinking at least AQ with the ace of hearts as a minimum.

 

[John A]

Villain is a passive pretty bad reg

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $25.26 (126.3 bb)
BB: $21.79 (109 bb)
UTG+1: $14.55 (72.8 bb)
UTG+2: $8.75 (43.8 bb)
MP1: $7.65 (38.3 bb)
MP2: $20.44 (102.2 bb) VPIP: 17, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 1730
MP3: $22.07 (110.4 bb)
CO: $15.21 (76.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $27.44 (137.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

7

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.45, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.65) Q

7

T

(3 players)
MP2 bets $1.23, CO calls $1.23, Hero raises to $4.10, MP2 calls $2.87, CO folds

Turn: ($11.08) 7

(2 players)
MP2 checks,
Hero bets how much?

Like bad how though? I mean if he's just not a bright reg, I'd be inclined to bet around $4 to goat him in, but that will look obvious to a decent reg. If you're unsure, around 5.50 is fine. It's just hard because he should know he's priced in on all rivers once you raise the flop.

 

[Aces2w1n]

how did the hand end anyway??

 

[Figaroo2]

how did the hand end anyway??

I bet $3.70 into him on the turn (to ensure he called and hopefully improved). The river card was a small black brick, I put him all in on the end and he folded. I was wondering at the time whether a bigger bet whilst he was probably still drawing might be better against a passive villain who had showed quite a bit of strength early in the hand. A bigger bet might have caused more pot commitment issues on the end.

 

[Aces2w1n]

yeah you bet lower to keep him in to hit his flush.


hmm sometimes a silly amount on the river can induce something esp if river was no good. he might get a rush to the head

takes something out of the ordinary to cause an accident.

 

[John A]

I bet $3.70 into him on the turn (to ensure he called and hopefully improved). The river card was a small black brick, I put him all in on the end and he folded. I was wondering at the time whether a bigger bet whilst he was probably still drawing might be better against a passive villain who had showed quite a bit of strength early in the hand. A bigger bet might have caused more pot commitment issues on the end.

That's fine. Like I said, I would have gone $4, and perhaps higher depending on what I thought of his play. You have to balance between goading someone in and making it obvious that you're goading someone in. Sometimes stack sizes can be tricky there. But I think you did the right thing.

 

[Figaroo2]

JJ hand

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $20.57 (68.6 bb)
BB: $30.45 (101.5 bb)
UTG+2: $33.65 (112.2 bb) VPIP: 28, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, hands: 118
Hero (MP1): $36.90 (123 bb)
MP2: $30 (100 bb)
MP3: $78.95 (263.2 bb)
CO: $31.11 (103.7 bb)
BTN: $11.55 (38.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

J

UTG+2 raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, 5 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.85) 6

8

T

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets $1.72, Hero calls $1.72, BB calls $1.72

Turn: ($8.01) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $4

River: ($16.01) 7

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets $8, Hero folds

Results: $16.01 pot ($0.80 rake)
Final Board: 6

8

T

3

7

UTG+2 mucked and won $15.21 ($8.59 net)
Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$6.62 net)

 

[Aces2w1n]

not 3betting here is pretty dangerous.. your giving ur opponent room to move but i understand your keeping his range wider.

i think at lower levels they never bluff but higher stakes they will know its a high fold spot

i think if we 3bet here it doesnt put us in this spot.

AP im betting more on turn it appears like a draw to me... so we need to charge him.

could be flush missed or pocket 9s

 

[Ian the Fish]

not 3betting here is pretty dangerous.. your giving ur opponent room to move but i understand your keeping his range wider.

i think at lower levels they never bluff but higher stakes they will know its a high fold spot

i think if we 3bet here it doesnt put us in this spot.

AP im betting more on turn it appears like a draw to me... so we need to charge him.

could be flush missed or pocket 9s

Hmmm, but if we do 3bet and he cold calls, the scenario changes just slightly, as he could easily be doing this w/ 99, AT or a flopped 2 pair / set. The guy's stats kind of keep his range effectively the same, plus we are still in position and have a relatively smaller pot, which is not the worst either.

I'd have to say you were beat here probably more often than not. Good fold.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $20.57 (68.6 bb)
BB: $30.45 (101.5 bb)
UTG+2: $33.65 (112.2 bb) VPIP: 28, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, Hands: 118
Hero (MP1): $36.90 (123 bb)
MP2: $30 (100 bb)
MP3: $78.95 (263.2 bb)
CO: $31.11 (103.7 bb)
BTN: $11.55 (38.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

J

UTG+2 raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, 5 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.85) 6

8

T

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets $1.72, Hero calls $1.72, BB calls $1.72

Turn: ($8.01) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $4

River: ($16.01) 7

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets $8, Hero folds

Results: $16.01 pot ($0.80 rake)
Final Board: 6

8

T

3

7

UTG+2 mucked and won $15.21 ($8.59 net)
Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$6.62 net)

I'm betting $5 on the turn, and I'm fine with pre-flop. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense if he had a hand like 87, T9 or 89 why he wouldn't bet the turn. C/cing makes zero sense and would be a big mistake, but... people make lots of mistakes at this level as you know. . Maybe he does this w/ 99, but still a bad line. That's really the only hand that makes semi-sense. I'm probably looking him up for this price just simply because of the kookiness of it. I don't hate the fold though.

 

[John A]

I'm going to do another hand review video tomorrow. If anyone has any hands, or a suggestion of a hand that's posted on CC, please let me know. TY!

 

[Ian the Fish]

I'm going to do another hand review video tomorrow. If anyone has any hands, or a suggestion of a hand that's posted on CC, please let me know. TY!

Well, if I can make a suggestion, I'd like you to take a look into this one:

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.87 (58.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.89 (278.9 bb)
UTG+2: $11.86 (118.6 bb)
MP1: $11.67 (116.7 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.35 (43.5 bb)
BTN: $15.16 (151.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

J

3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 9

K

7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($4.61) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.72 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $4.61 pot ($0.23 rake)
Final Board: 9

K

7

T

Q

Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$2.28 net)
MP3 mucked and won $4.38 ($2.10 net)

Come to think about it now, I feel like I should have 3-bet preflop, but maybe it was alright. I feel quite good about the way I played, it just seemed an interesting runout.

 

[Aces2w1n]

another jj lost... no 3bet pre

but u guys keep flatting.. just saying

 

[Figaroo2]

another jj lost... no 3bet pre
keep flatting

You are aware that if you 3bet JJ and get called the hands that stay in usually have overcards and very good equity against you.....If you flat you keep in all the underpairs and other trash that you dominate. You are more likely to win a bigger pot versus 88 99 TT and set over sets than v AQ AK where if they hit your beat and if they whiff you win little.
Its depends on the players stats as well, not that we have those here.
I don't like this villians shove here, he lost value if he had it, the J is calling at least $2

 

[Ian the Fish]

I would have 3-bet only if I had position on him...

 

[Aces2w1n]

playing passive oop isnt a good things.. think about it

 

[Aces2w1n]

your thinking villains think like you fig and you might be tilted or feared with jj.


worrying about monsters in closet... jj isnt for the faint hearted and for me jj is a strong powerful hand and use to be a high risk high reward but now i know and sense of most dangers with jj.

flop goes all low 226 and well jj vs ak is great... fish think all their overpairs which are under us are good.

and there will be the times your behind but just brcause your behind doesnt mean u cant win.

just spend some time with jj fig

 

[IPlay]

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $13.62 (VPIP: 16.19, PFR: 10.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 106)
CO: $35.46 (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 26)
Hero (BTN): $22.55
SB: $15.50 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 24)
BB: $25.00
UTG: $25.45 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: $27.47 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:spade: J:club:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60, 2 players) A:diamond: 5:heart: 8:club:
BB bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.60, 2 players) A:spade:
BB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

River: ($9.60, 2 players) 2:club:
BB bets $10.00, Hero calls $10.00



I was bought in short and I stationed (Hand was from a few years back) but other then that I posted this hand because I am wanting to check my combo counting and was kind of confused about combos with board pairing. Lets say villains range is A10+ on river, how many combos does he have?

Is it 2 combos for each kicker? So 2 possible combos of each A10, AJ, AQ, AK for 8 combos in total?

 

[John A]

Well, if I can make a suggestion, I'd like you to take a look into this one:

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.87 (58.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.89 (278.9 bb)
UTG+2: $11.86 (118.6 bb)
MP1: $11.67 (116.7 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.35 (43.5 bb)
BTN: $15.16 (151.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

J

3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 9

K

7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($4.61) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.72 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $4.61 pot ($0.23 rake)
Final Board: 9

K

7

T

Q

Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$2.28 net)
MP3 mucked and won $4.38 ($2.10 net)

Come to think about it now, I feel like I should have 3-bet preflop, but maybe it was alright. I feel quite good about the way I played, it just seemed an interesting runout.

Sure... any info on opponent at all?

 

[Ian the Fish]

Sure... any info on opponent at all?

Sure. Over 447 hands:

VPIP: 24
PFR: 15
Total 3-bet %: 5.1