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razzor94
Rock Star
Silver Level
Should I shove second pair for value on the river ?
IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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I have 35 hands on the villain 44/22/2.0
No reads on him yet but I feel after he just called the turn his hand is very much face up.
Do I shove the river(because my hand really looks like AK in my mind), do I bet small or do I check ?
And what about that turn bet? I felt like I needed some protection and he shouldn't be shoving on me that often given his line. Do you agree or am I just spewing money there ?
SB: $51.25 (256.3 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG: $36.50 (182.5 bb)
MP: $23.50 (117.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $39.22 (196.1 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J
J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.80
Flop: ($4.90) 7
3
6
(2 players)
BB bets $3.92, Hero calls $3.92
Turn: ($12.74) Q
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.40, BB calls $3.40
River: ($19.54) 5
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Results: $19.54 pot ($1.30 rake)
Final Board: 7
3
6
Q
5
BB showed 9
9
and lost (-$9.72 net)
Hero mucked J
J
and won $18.24 ($8.52 net)
IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
I have 35 hands on the villain 44/22/2.0
No reads on him yet but I feel after he just called the turn his hand is very much face up.
Do I shove the river(because my hand really looks like AK in my mind), do I bet small or do I check ?
And what about that turn bet? I felt like I needed some protection and he shouldn't be shoving on me that often given his line. Do you agree or am I just spewing money there ?
SB: $51.25 (256.3 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG: $36.50 (182.5 bb)
MP: $23.50 (117.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $39.22 (196.1 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.80
Flop: ($4.90) 7
BB bets $3.92, Hero calls $3.92
Turn: ($12.74) Q
BB checks, Hero bets $3.40, BB calls $3.40
River: ($19.54) 5
BB checks, Hero checks
Results: $19.54 pot ($1.30 rake)
Final Board: 7
BB showed 9
Hero mucked J
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
You played it just fine in my opinion. There is no point shoving on the end you only get called by better hands and worse hands just fold.
Id 4 bet AK pre if I was in your spot there.
To me his flop sizing says he wants a fold as well. Confirmed by the turn check. I like your turn sizing as well.
Next time just dont show us his hand.
Id 4 bet AK pre if I was in your spot there.
To me his flop sizing says he wants a fold as well. Confirmed by the turn check. I like your turn sizing as well.
Next time just dont show us his hand.
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razzor94
Rock Star
Silver Level
Against a reg or even a passive player on PS I would think the same but this is an unknown on ipoker. The real question is does he fold something like 99 or TT.
Hard to say so I took the safe line of showdown but now thinking about it I really wish I had bet the river.
And no showing next time
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Generally no, but each site / casino has different rules and payouts.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
I have 35 hands on the villain 44/22/2.0
No reads on him yet but I feel after he just called the turn his hand is very much face up.
Do I shove the river(because my hand really looks like AK in my mind), do I bet small or do I check ?
And what about that turn bet? I felt like I needed some protection and he shouldn't be shoving on me that often given his line. Do you agree or am I just spewing money there ?
SB: $51.25 (256.3 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG: $36.50 (182.5 bb)
MP: $23.50 (117.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $39.22 (196.1 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with JJ
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.80
Flop: ($4.90) 736(2 players)
BB bets $3.92, Hero calls $3.92
Turn: ($12.74) Q(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.40, BB calls $3.40
River: ($19.54) 5(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Results: $19.54 pot ($1.30 rake)
Final Board: 736Q5
BB showed 99and lost (-$9.72 net)
Hero mucked JJand won $18.24 ($8.52 net)
I'd go slightly larger on the turn (~$5-$6), but other than that it's fine. Also, I'd hide your results in the future. Just helps a little more with getting unbiased views and feedback.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Hero(BB) 3b 4x AA MP open (120ish BBeff), flop 432 Hero check V check,
Turn 6 hero bet 40% ish V call, river 3 (missed flop FD), Hero bet 2/3 V jams
His VPIP - 23 (The only decentish guy in the table
I assume this is a call? Was expecting to check raise flop jam turn & I'd expect all the sets, straight draws to bet the flop
Turn 6 hero bet 40% ish V call, river 3 (missed flop FD), Hero bet 2/3 V jams
His VPIP - 23 (The only decentish guy in the table
I assume this is a call? Was expecting to check raise flop jam turn & I'd expect all the sets, straight draws to bet the flop
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Why 2/3rd on the river?
If I'm reading correct, then it's probably a fold. What limit is this? A lot of people know more to jam if they have the nut flush card in their hand on boards like this. He either has A3/55/A5 or nadda...
If I'm reading correct, then it's probably a fold. What limit is this? A lot of people know more to jam if they have the nut flush card in their hand on boards like this. He either has A3/55/A5 or nadda...
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
was trying to get the max on river assuming he'd bluff catch me with all pps.
He had 4s. surprised he didn't bet the flop or even fold pre flop.
It's on upoker. limit is like 30NL ish.
I moved all my action from pppoker to upoker. pppoker updates really suck ass for multitabling
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Well, you know the John A rule here... Turn check min raises are usually the nuts or close to it.
Need info on opponent, stack sizes, etc... in order to give better feedback.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
6max MP who limps alot open 3x (small sample) we flat AJs CO BTN (vpip 35ish) call, BB (vipip 70) call,
flop 843 something we have a backdoor flush. MP check we check & the BTN bets around 60%.
everyone fold. My question is should we float in this kind of spot generally with 2 overs & a backdoor?
flop 843 something we have a backdoor flush. MP check we check & the BTN bets around 60%.
everyone fold. My question is should we float in this kind of spot generally with 2 overs & a backdoor?
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
You should call some of the time. Why didn't you just bet the flop though?
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
not sure. People are so sticky in the games I play. I'm probably making a ton of mistakes trying to adjust
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
pokerstars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 196 BB
CO: 246.5 BB
BTN: 160 BB
SB: 235.5 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 80 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9s 9c
fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB
Flop : (9.5 BB, 2 players) 9d Ts 7s
Hero checks, CO bets 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 19.5 BB, CO calls 15 BB
Turn : (48.5 BB, 2 players) 8h
Hero checks, CO bets 48.5 BB, fold
CO wins 46 BB
He has a habit of potting drawy boards or somekind of betting. Pretty bad station as well. Turn size sucks to do anything tho
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 196 BB
CO: 246.5 BB
BTN: 160 BB
SB: 235.5 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 80 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9s 9c
fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB
Flop : (9.5 BB, 2 players) 9d Ts 7s
Hero checks, CO bets 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 19.5 BB, CO calls 15 BB
Turn : (48.5 BB, 2 players) 8h
Hero checks, CO bets 48.5 BB, fold
CO wins 46 BB
He has a habit of potting drawy boards or somekind of betting. Pretty bad station as well. Turn size sucks to do anything tho
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (CO): 167 BB
BTN: 187 BB
SB: 232 BB
BB: 170.5 BB
UTG: 369.5 BB
MP: 188.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Jc
fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB
Flop : (15.5 BB, 3 players) 5d 5h 8d
BB bets 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 26.5 BB, BB calls 16.5 BB
Turn : (68.5 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 45.5 BB, Hero calls 45.5 BB
River : (159.5 BB, 2 players) 3d
BB bets 93.5 BB and is all-in, fold
BB shows 7s 4s (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 156.5 BB
You were right about people doing weird bluffs on Apps risking 200BB like nothing
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (CO): 167 BB
BTN: 187 BB
SB: 232 BB
BB: 170.5 BB
UTG: 369.5 BB
MP: 188.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Jc
fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB
Flop : (15.5 BB, 3 players) 5d 5h 8d
BB bets 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 26.5 BB, BB calls 16.5 BB
Turn : (68.5 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 45.5 BB, Hero calls 45.5 BB
River : (159.5 BB, 2 players) 3d
BB bets 93.5 BB and is all-in, fold
BB shows 7s 4s (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 156.5 BB
You were right about people doing weird bluffs on Apps
risking 200BB like nothing
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Once original raiser passes, you're in the ideal spot to bet because BTN has to still think about original raiser so they won't call / float as light. Original raiser will give you more credit because you bet into two people. If you turn good equity you can double w/ a high rate of success versus your opponents calling range.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
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Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
CO: 141.5 BB
BTN: 204.5 BB
Hero (SB): 372 BB
BB: 108.5 BB
UTG: 135.5 BB
MP: 35.5 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah 3h
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 12 BB
Flop : (34 BB, 2 players) 5c 2h 8h
Hero bets 13.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB
Turn : (61 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero bets 41.5 BB, BTN calls 41.5 BB
River : (144 BB, 2 players) Ac
river is probably the worst that could be. Do we still jam? It's hard to get called by anything worse tho 200BB eff. I'd expect any set to raise turn the least
BTN: 204.5 BB
Hero (SB): 372 BB
BB: 108.5 BB
UTG: 135.5 BB
MP: 35.5 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah 3h
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 12 BB
Flop : (34 BB, 2 players) 5c 2h 8h
Hero bets 13.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB
Turn : (61 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero bets 41.5 BB, BTN calls 41.5 BB
River : (144 BB, 2 players) Ac
river is probably the worst that could be. Do we still jam? It's hard to get called by anything worse tho 200BB eff. I'd expect any set to raise turn the least
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Do you have any stats on these guys? I mean this could be a shove here on the turn. You're really only bear by TJ/JJ, as J9 is only 1 combo. You crush 77, there's spades, etc...
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (CO): 167 BB
BTN: 187 BB
SB: 232 BB
BB: 170.5 BB
UTG: 369.5 BB
MP: 188.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Jc
fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB
Flop : (15.5 BB, 3 players) 5d 5h 8d
BB bets 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 26.5 BB, BB calls 16.5 BB
Turn : (68.5 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 45.5 BB, Hero calls 45.5 BB
River : (159.5 BB, 2 players) 3d
BB bets 93.5 BB and is all-in, fold
BB shows 7s 4s (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 156.5 BB
You were right about people doing weird bluffs on apps
Flop and turn are fine, considering it's a limped pot. River is close. It really depends on the opponent. In general, it's rare to have someone lead w/ trips in a raised pot, so you can weight them heavily towards draw. It's just going to come down to how aggressive the player is.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
He's running something like 36/5/1
big time loser. Loves to donk or bet drawy boards.
Is folding bad here?
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
With those stats, no, it's a fold. That's way too passive. Even though his range is fairly narrow there and you still beat several hands, I think c/f was the correct line.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
No. If he's doing that, he'll do it when you have better hands. I don't hate a call there, but for 100bbs, you can be a little more discerning.