Checking back the nuts on river

[SPANKYSN]

What I do not understand is why anyone would check the nuts in last position. There is no downside to betting...either a player may give you more chips, or you get everyone to fold, thereby not having to show your cards. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me.
Thanks.

 

[dontquit]

Its collusion pure and simple. There is no one that would check the nuts on the river. I have seen it happen once, but the guy was new to the game and didn't recognize he had the nuts.

 

[fordman427]

In online it's fine as long as you know the other guy will bet, however in live in some tournaments like the wsop you can be penalized for it

 

[Dorugremon]

What I do not understand is why anyone would check the nuts in last position. There is no downside to betting...either a player may give you more chips, or you get everyone to fold, thereby not having to show your cards. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me.
Thanks.

Board misreads do occur. Someone who's drawing at a straight might do this if they happen to back door the flush they weren't trying to make, and all they see is a missed straight.

You'd also check back the nuts in Omaha-8 if you had the A2 in your hand and were likely to get quartered by another low hand.

 

[PokerFunKid]

Board misreads do occur. Someone who's drawing at a straight might do this if they happen to back door the flush they weren't trying to make, and all they see is a missed straight.

You'd also check back the nuts in Omaha-8 if you had the A2 in your hand and were likely to get quartered by another low hand.

This, or you just like the beautifull lady and check back the nuts and date her after It is probably made so you can't save someone chips. But often the person getting punished misread his hand.

 

[OzExorcist]

You'd also check back the nuts in Omaha-8 if you had the A2 in your hand and were likely to get quartered by another low hand.

I'm pretty sure split pot games are treated differently - if you only had the nut low you shouldn't be penalised. If you had the nut high and low though, then I think you're obliged to bet.

 

[pleasebluffme69]

had no idea this was a rule nor needed to be. in collusion wouldn't first to act just fold to the nuts after he bets river anyway?

 

[OzExorcist]

had no idea this was a rule nor needed to be. in collusion wouldn't first to act just fold to the nuts after he bets river anyway?

It's to prevent a few things - collusion is one of them, but soft play is another.

More to the point though, I still don't see why anyone would have a problem wit the rule. There isn't a single valid reason for checking the nuts in last position on the river, and TDs have the latitude not to penalise players when they believe it's a new or casual player making a genuine mistake.

 

[MrBadAss]

because the porpous of playing is to have all the chips, if you have the nuts and dont try to take more chips you can get a penalty

 

[xmarus91]

Anyone who checks the nuts and last to act is a big no no.. But 2nd before last is okay, induce a bet if he has anything re-raise get paided off 90% of the time.

 

[Zupek]

Checking back on EPT:

 

[Gabinho12345]

Is it allowed to just call the river bet and not raise with the nuts when you are last to act?

 

[Jillychemung]

Went looking for this 'rule' in the current TDA rule set from Aug 2015 and cannot find it. I do see at the TDA forum that it was going to be proposed but couldn't find the wording in the rules.

Check it out for yourself
http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=1160.0
http://www.pokertda.com/poker-tda-rules/

 

[OzExorcist]

Broadly speaking I believe it would fall under Rule 64: Ethical Play with states that "soft play will result in penalties".

It doesn't specify in the rule what does and doesn't constitute "soft play", but I'd think not attempting to get more money out of your opponent when you're holding the nuts would be a textbook example...

 

[Jillychemung]

OK yeah that rule would be broad enough to cover it.

64: Ethical Play
Poker is an individual game. Soft play will result in penalties, which may include chip forfeiture and/or disqualification. Chip dumping and other forms of collusion will result in disqualification.

 

[BigJamo]

I randomly check "my nuts"
Doctors orders.

 

[Kanat]

Checking back on EPT:
Worst Mistake In Poker - YouTube

LOL. He is most crazy! Why he is checking...

 

[BPEPFPDP]

Woah i didn't knew that, so weird why he check back, or he was not sure on his hand?

 

[Mr Alvim]

I also think that no one would give check with the nuts on the river. I do not think well you identify the nuts on the river and make a minimum bet or very aggressive in his opponent by bluff, because if it has the nuts it will come back to you for sure. If you conhecero your opponent the best thing to do is to check and see if the size of his bet is a bluff or value of the nuts if he bets.

 

[freestocks]

Tired mistake.

 

[rensks]

never heard of this rule, good to know it, but i dont think they punish it in online poker, i might have done that and never be punished...well as far as i can tell..