Please help me analyze this graph - showdown vs. non-showdown winnings

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rugby0 said:
Where do you get all these stats. on your game. THIS IS INFORMAtION i AM MISSING AND NEED.

The graphs above are from Hold'Em Manager (www.holdemmanager.net), and you can get similar stats using Poker Tracker (www.pokertracker.com).

I'll check out the Stoxpoker cbet video if it's among the freebies. I have a CardRunners membership but not Stox. And you're right, feitr, it should be easy to cbet into certain opponents and play more carefully with others.
 
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BelgoSuisse said:
But the thing is, in the rings, I don't care if people respect my game or not. If they do, then i'll bluff them off pots. If they don't, i'll value bet the hell out of them. Either can be quite profitable.

For some (me included) this little piece of info/wisdom is a hidden gem.
 
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zachvac said:
Can you please elaborate on what it means to have respect for someone's game and why we want people to respect ours? Not quite sure exactly what you mean by respect in this context and don't want to make bad assumptions.

Respect in the sense I used it there is that situation exists where a villain has/ or has not shown poker smarts as I perceive them. Either I end up believing they know wtf they are doing, or I believe they don't know wtf they are doing. And I act accordingly.

On the flip side, have I played in such a way that my villains believe I have a clue or not? If I raise do they give a shit, or are they gonna play me like I was not there. Have I caused him grief or joy. Or does my villain care.

The respect aspect deals with how you will play particular players, and as I believe you know, much of the time you will play player x different than you will play player y.

But perhaps the notion of respect here doesn't play as large in ring as it does in tourney. Especially late in a tourney, where it behooves one to know whats going on. In ring games there is no bubble, approaching bubble or change of gears with the implications there are in tourneys, so I, as a tourney guy, might be more inclined to give the respect notion any credence.

As it works out, Roundcat clarified OP and is asking about ring play. So my original response is much less valid.

Possible the place where respect is most valuable is in bluffs, and steals. If my villain respects my game, he is more likely to either fold to my steals, or raise with what I would normally expect to be a real hand.
 
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dj11 said:
Respect in the sense I used it there is that situation exists where a villain has/ or has not shown poker smarts as I perceive them. Either I end up believing they know wtf they are doing, or I believe they don't know wtf they are doing. And I act accordingly.

On the flip side, have I played in such a way that my villains believe I have a clue or not? If I raise do they give a shit, or are they gonna play me like I was not there. Have I caused him grief or joy. Or does my villain care.

The respect aspect deals with how you will play particular players, and as I believe you know, much of the time you will play player x different than you will play player y.

But perhaps the notion of respect here doesn't play as large in ring as it does in tourney. Especially late in a tourney, where it behooves one to know whats going on. In ring games there is no bubble, approaching bubble or change of gears with the implications there are in tourneys, so I, as a tourney guy, might be more inclined to give the respect notion any credence.

As it works out, Roundcat clarified OP and is asking about ring play. So my original response is much less valid.

Possible the place where respect is most valuable is in bluffs, and steals. If my villain respects my game, he is more likely to either fold to my steals, or raise with what I would normally expect to be a real hand.

So to clarify, when I'm playing my typical super-lag tourney game (I like to think I know wtf I'm doing, maybe you disagree :)) would you then give me respect? It just seems you're using the term good player and tight player interchangeably, and I disagree that these are synonyms.
 
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Here's a new graph, just for tonight's play. I like this one far better!

It should be noted that the original graph included all files that were imported into Holdem Manager, including some limit games as well as pot limit. This one is for $25 6-max NL only. I know one session isn't a real indication of anything, but I'm working on some of the points discussed in this thread and hope to keep the upward trend going with both the showdown winnings and non showdown winnings.

Oh, and I experienced no guilt whatsoever when stacking other players tonight. ;)
 

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Congrats on the nice session.

Does this section of that graph look like it should be pixelated to anyone else? :)

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Looking back at your first graph, maybe you actually bluff too much and just don't do it very well or get yourself into tough spots in big pots with marginal hands? If it was more related to stealing/not cbetting enough i'd expect that the line would look a little "straighter" as it decends. As jagged as it is it looks like you are losing, and occasionally winning, decent pots in NSD, which you'd typically think are bluffs/double barrels gone wrong or you calling down too light on flop/turn and having to fold river or calling 3Bs and 3Bflop too light and having to fold turn.

idk might be wrong just an idea.
 
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