ace-ten right to call?

[TPC]

Everyone knows about the "Gap Concept".. and that you need a much better hand to call with.. than you'd need to be shoving with.... BUT.. this is a low stakes tourney.. no?... quite often other players will be calling you really light.

Second part.. bold italics..... ok.. here again.. because your opponent's range could really be quite wide (you say so yourself... better to 'open shove' with 7-2o).. AT could be in decent shape here against his range... and with the extra dead money in the pot, the fact that you're short-stacked... AND that you might just not find that 'spot' where you can open shove again (and if &/or when you do.. your FoldEquity might be non-existent). All reasons why getting it in here with AT really isn't all that bad imo.... but it's close.

I wouldn't say everyone knows about the "Gap Concept", we are in the learning poker forum.

Me saying open shove with 72 was me making a point in saying open shoving with anything is better than calling with A10. And I also said I would have shoved long before this due to the blinds. Yes FE is very important so knowing what the other stacks are is key and we don't have that info for this situation. Also, we were not given any reads on the opponent, we don't know if he has been shoving frequent up to this. Yes, he's in a stealing position, but it doesn't mean to call for you whole stack either, because again we have no reads on this player.

 

[RA2000]

That depends on the way the all in player played before!
If he played tight you know that he got a big pair or Ax. And then you will probably be an underdog.
You should lay down this hand then, even with an M under 5....

 

[cardplayer52]

this is a clear fold IMO. what hands do you got beat here? not too many. how beat you? lots. i think its very important to use what harrington called "first in vigor" be the one shoving not calling. that way you gain fold equity. remember "it takes a better hand to call with than it does to raise with" I agree AT is a great hand to shove here but not to call with. I'm not quite sure what i would call with here. probably something like 88+ AQs+ or wider if i think his range is alot wider than that. you got to remember your short stacked yes but you still have a few free hands to see before the blinds come. I say look for a chance to "push" instead of calling.

 

[headtrip13]

you only had 200 invested in the small blind, it would have been better to fold this hand and wait for the button, cause its better to push than call someone else's odds, and you were putting yourself in a coinflip at best but domination by a wide variety of hands, I would rather push with 2 7 than call with A10 as bizarre as that may sound but it takes a bigger hand to call with that to push with

 

[Surf Rat]

A-10 is a teaser at best at this point but mostly a Brugh hand ...its a fold IMO at this time.

 

[DetroitJimmy]

From the info given I would fold for the following reasons. If you call and the guy holds 49os or some other BS hand he still has live cards and will out draw you 30% or more. Many times he will hold a larger ace and you will be dominated. A small PP and your flipping a coin for your tournament life with no fold equity.

If I were holding the A 10 and it was folded to me, I would push it from MP most of the time. This is about the low range I would push from with my M above 3. I would also push any PP once my M reaches 5(in an unopened pot that is).

If I let my M shrink to around 3, it's time to push almost ATC in an unopened pot. The only cards I fold are 23,24, and others that are in the bottom 10% of starting hands. You are still doing better pushing with 96os than calling with A10 because at your getting some fold equity IMHO.

Questions for the OP:

Is this a MTT or SNG?

Are you on the bubble, far from it, or ITM?

What are the other players stacks and how many at the table?

 

[Goodwooter]

this is a fairly EZ fold for me