Pocket AA.... Can you or should you let them go pre?

[kitchy65]

Noooooo lol, you can’t read, your rude and shallow minded. Ask someone else to read it and get back to me. It’s a TOPIC, not an ask for advice you muppet... 🙄

You are the one being rude

"This thread however I’ll stick to just AA, and to find out what others think"

You invited others opinion and then being rude to them because you do not like their opinions.

Having said that...even though you're wrong to have folded, you did absolutely the correct thing in getting out of there.

They're right, you're wrong...but who cares? You won some money, happy days.

Remember, we're all on the same side here. It's a card forum for the likeminded

Happy New Year folks x

 

[Chris Wade]

I used to be able to stay awake for 40 hours . Probably still could. Don't know that I would trust any financial decisions then. In my opinion you did the right thing.

 

[jordanbillie]

Noooooo lol, you can’t read, your rude and shallow minded. Ask someone else to read it and get back to me. It’s a TOPIC, not an ask for advice you muppet... 🙄

Gotcha

 

[Phoenix Wright]

Can I fold AA preflop? Yes. Should I? Usually not. Are there EVER times where folding AA preflop is justified? Yes. The best example I can think of is the rare situation of you playing a satellite and have enough chips to quality if you just fold every hand. There is no real incentive to play anything in this situation. If the rare case you are dealt AA here and the action gets going, you may be justified in folding this hand preflop.

Other situations to potentially fold AA preflop is when there are outside factors to the hand such as this famous hand on the loose cannon show where the amateur player was dealt AA and CORRECTLY folded preflop! What justifies this play is that he had just made a substantial amount of money and just had a few more hands left to play before he could "cash out" of the show session.

Objectively, AA is the best hand preflop, so if it wasn't for outside factors, then you should be playing it every time (if you fold, then what is good enough to continue with? If nothing, then why play the game at all?) If you are playing to win, then you'll probably always want to play AA, but if you only care about min. cashing or barely moving up the payout ladder, then you might fold to survive slightly longer. However, this isn't usually correct. The "big money" is at the top in large events, so usually you'll want to be shooting for a win. Hand starts at 5:44 in video clip

 

[kon44]

You are the one being rude

"This thread however I’ll stick to just AA, and to find out what others think"

You invited others opinion and then being rude to them because you do not like their opinions.

Having said that...even though you're wrong to have folded, you did absolutely the correct thing in getting out of there.

They're right, you're wrong...but who cares? You won some money, happy days.

Remember, we're all on the same side here. It's a card forum for the likeminded

Happy New Year folks x

Not at all mate, there is a massive difference in the attitude and that before even considering the facts of my post... Trying to tell me I’m wrong (no such thing), I’m in the wrong game (a wild presumption) etc, etc. There is without doubt more productivity ways of doing things depending on variables, I provided my reasonings within the post, didn’t ask for advice either on the decision I made either lol..... Assumptions made out of thin air, when understanding I’ve made easy. Pttft....

So to add more depth...... I’ve had to folded AA pre 7 times in total ever since I first started playing poker and was the correct thing to do when the dust has settled over all all occasions.... Wether you want to call it luck that in the end I evaded the losses, or bad play that I opted to let them go, 7 out of 7 occasions is why I’m able to openly talk about it. I was horrified with myself the first couple times, it goes against so much, it’s got easier to do since. 7 times and only in a live environment. I’ve never done it online so far that I can recall the situation arising as I’ve never played any stake or situation that losing would have broke the bank or bothered me in that instance.... though Ive have lost many times to my irritation with them I’m sure. HUHT when I was hitting the $7/$15 that never took off for me at the time the time comes to mind (I never had the patience).

And yes, we are meant to be on the same side. Half the reason why I won’t have someone trying to tell me how I should be playing, I've done extremely in places playing poker, reason I’m here on this forum is to round my game so I can grind the online arena. Playing sporadically live for bursts of high intensity (few weeks to months then I vanish for months) is what I want to get away from. THE SPIN UP mentality that begins my sessions when I sit down. NOT that I'm playing above my means, I’m playing and flipping it over and over through Stakes Increase mostly every session, Hit n Running.... yes, that’s me lol.... But I come back after you’ve cooled down some what....

 

[kon44]

Can I fold AA preflop? Yes. Should I? Usually not. Are there EVER times where folding AA preflop is justified? Yes. The best example I can think of is the rare situation of you playing a satellite and have enough chips to quality if you just fold every hand. There is no real incentive to play anything in this situation. If the rare case you are dealt AA here and the action gets going, you may be justified in folding this hand preflop.

Other situations to potentially fold AA preflop is when there are outside factors to the hand such as this famous hand on the loose cannon show where the amateur player was dealt AA and CORRECTLY folded preflop! What justifies this play is that he had just made a substantial amount of money and just had a few more hands left to play before he could "cash out" of the show session.

Objectively, AA is the best hand preflop, so if it wasn't for outside factors, then you should be playing it every time (if you fold, then what is good enough to continue with? If nothing, then why play the game at all?) If you are playing to win, then you'll probably always want to play AA, but if you only care about min. cashing or barely moving up the payout ladder, then you might fold to survive slightly longer. However, this isn't usually correct. The "big money" is at the top in large events, so usually you'll want to be shooting for a win. Hand starts at 5:44 in video clip

You are the one being rude

"This thread however I’ll stick to just AA, and to find out what others think"

You invited others opinion and then being rude to them because you do not like their opinions.

Having said that...even though you're wrong to have folded, you did absolutely the correct thing in getting out of there.

They're right, you're wrong...but who cares? You won some money, happy days.

Remember, we're all on the same side here. It's a card forum for the likeminded

Happy New Year folks x

I can have a discussion, a debate etc. A view or ethos that doesn’t mimic or run the same direction as my own I have no grievances with.... You like your friend didn’t read and understand my post in the slightest alas as others seem to have grasped it with ease....

 

[kon44]

I would be embarassed to openly tell people i folded AA preflop when its not in a satellite. Only very bad players do that. Yes i get it the game was too high for you so u should have left long time ago. But in no way this is something to be proud of or even something that is worth to tell.

Your post is pretty bad written and hard to understand what u are on about sorry. Even after reading it multiple times i still dont get the action in that cash game where you folded ur AA.

If the goal of ur post was to tell us those AA and KK preflop folds u did were good then no, they were not. I does not matter if you would have lost.

I’d be inclined to call you a liar lol, but that would be a presumption..... 🙄. What isn’t a presumption is you not understanding my post, if after multiple attempts you think it’s badly written I’ll withdrawal from trying to help you other than highlight the bare bones that.... I folded because it would have been a 5 Way All In with me losing the whole stack I’d accumulated over the near two days of table hopping, mini bouts of roulette, scoots around the immediate vicinity of the casino etc... I sat down with £250, left the casino with little over £7.5k. I’d at a height been at over £10k, I spent and roulette threw away close to £3k.... 40hrs plus on a non planned game sit... My mrs wasn’t annoyed I’d vanished when I returned either.

Does that help?

 

[jordanbillie]

You say you never asked for advice...you should read your thread title.

 

[jordanbillie]

I looked up your tournament stats...let me say you should probably consider being open to suggestions if you are serious about winning at poker.

If not, that's OK. You can continue to insult us.

 

[kitchy65]

Not at all mate, there is a massive difference in the attitude and that before even considering the facts of my post... Trying to tell me I’m wrong (no such thing)

And yes, we are meant to be on the same side. Half the reason why I won’t have someone trying to tell me how I should be playing.

NOT that I'm playing above my means, Hit n Running.... yes, that’s me lol.

No offence but I just think you're a brick wall and there's no point in continuing.

It's rather obvious to anyone reading your posts that they're right.

 

[kitchy65]

I looked up your tournament stats...let me say you should probably consider being open to suggestions if you are serious about winning at poker.

If not, that's OK. You can continue to insult us.

Better to end this on a positive.

Damn right every poor man that was ever fond of money...wouldn't have wasted their time sitting down at a table they had no place being, and instead would be off to bank their stash.

Can't fault him for doing that!

 

[jordanbillie]

Better to end this on a positive.

Damn right every poor man that was ever fond of money...wouldn't have wasted their time sitting down at a table they had no place being, and instead would be off to bank their stash.

Can't fault him for doing that!

Yeah, that's why I didn't post the stats.

 

[Phoenix Wright]

I can have a discussion, a debate etc. A view or ethos that doesn’t mimic or run the same direction as my own I have no grievances with.... You like your friend didn’t read and understand my post in the slightest alas as others seem to have grasped it with ease....

Huh? I did read the original post and I believed my response was thorough and thought-out. If you intended a different message, then perhaps it wasn't best explained, or phrased.

 

[fundiver199]

Other situations to potentially fold AA preflop is when there are outside factors to the hand such as this famous hand on the loose cannon show where the amateur player was dealt AA and CORRECTLY folded preflop! What justifies this play is that he had just made a substantial amount of money and just had a few more hands left to play before he could "cash out" of the show session.

What is special about that hand, where David Fishman folded AA, is, that he was not allowed to leave the game until after 150 hands. He had been staked 100k to play in the game by PokerStars and got to keep all winnings above those 100k. After winning a massive pot, where he rivered a straight, and Phil Helmuth called with two pair, Fishman was up more than 100k. He was also leading the contest among loose cannons to win an additional NAPT passport worth 50k.

At this point there were a few more orbits to play, and the issue for Fishman was, that if he entered any pots, then the pros would know, that he would be playing with "scared money". So Fishman wisely decided to fold every remaining hand preflop and lose a few rounds of blinds and antes rather than lose much more by getting involved pre and then getting pushed around.

However the situation for OP can not be compared to that of Fishman. OP was playing a completely normal cash game, and then he should have left, as soon as he realised, he was not willing to lose all that money, he won on the evening. Or never sat down in the first place. OP should not have waited, until he picked up AA and found himself in a situation, where he either had to fold them pre or get into a situation, where 1 out of 3 times he increase his stack 400%, but the other 2 out of 3 times he lose it all. Or whatever the exact numbers are for AA all-in pre against 4 other hands.

Leaving a cash game due to risk aversion is completely legit and can also be applied to online cash games. Maybe you have a reasonable bankroll for the standard buyin of 100BB, but you won some pots, and so has a good reg on your left, so now you are both sitting with +300BB. This is more than 5% of your bankroll, and you are also at a significant disadvantage, because you are out of position against him in most hands. Then the clever thing is to get up and leave, and either end the session or buy in for 100BB at a different table.

 

[neptunas888]

You can only fold pocket aces preflop in a satellite when you have a passing stack for a ticket. Otherwise, it's a preflop raise or an all-in

 

[dreamer13]

The task of the player with AA is to try to maximize the pot on the first betting street and go postflop with one opponent. The more opponents there are in the hand, the less equity the "rockets" have. The very beginning of the hand is preflop. It is important here to avoid errors that potentially lead to problems. Limping from early position can be such an action. By choosing to call, the player creates favorable pot odds for the rest of the opponents to enter the hand even with trash and marginal hands. If there are four opponents on the postflop, the equity of pocket aces in poker will be halved.

 

[kon44]

Yeah, so that's my point and why playing above your limit is not wise. It can force you to make weird decisions because you are thinking of the money "off the tables." It gets you to think of the money, instead of the math.

You still can’t see past the end of your nose alas. Telling you that I wouldn’t have gone and sat at that kimit usually isn’t that it’s aboveboard my limit lol... You presume an awful lot....

 

[benitwapasu]

If you are approaching the money bubble and you owe money to the mob and you know you have enough chips to make the money if you fold and you know if you can cash you can pay the mob back and avoid broken bones or worse---then you should fold your aces----in all other cases you should not

 

[jordanbillie]

You still can’t see past the end of your nose alas. Telling you that I wouldn’t have gone and sat at that kimit usually isn’t that it’s aboveboard my limit lol... You presume an awful lot....

I'm sorry but this is how I see it:

You created a veiled brag thread disguised as asking a question. You made it seem like you wanted to discuss whether folding AA pre was ever a good idea, when in reality you just wanted some praise for your fold that "saved you money."

Congrats, you made the wrong decision and the result benefitted you. Just like that cash table, you should probably also leave the entire game of poker if you are ahead right now.

Perhaps this whole thread is a joke, and in that case you got me. If it's not and you honestly want to improve, you want to develop more of a student mindset towards the game. Eventually you should feel confident enough in your game to play AA preflop!

 

[kon44]

No offence but I just think you're a brick wall and there's no point in continuing.

It's rather obvious to anyone reading your posts that they're right.

It actually isn’t, there is no right or wrong to it. Telling me I’m a brick wall to it, when it’s clearly an intended discussion I’m being told "I’m in the wrong game", playing above my mean self etc.... That’s an offensive line in truth.. obviously part of his fan club. Don’t give a Scooby Doo, I’ve shown this post to everyone I’ve crossed and they think you guys unable to discuss and have rather attack to defend yourself.... I’m baffled in truth by the lack of understanding from some of you..

 

[kon44]

I'm sorry but this is how I see it:

You created a veiled brag thread disguised as asking a question. You made it seem like you wanted to discuss whether folding AA pre was ever a good idea, when in reality you just wanted some praise for your fold that "saved you money."

Congrats, you made the wrong decision and the result benefitted you. Just like that cash table, you should probably also leave the entire game of poker if you are ahead right now.

Perhaps this whole thread is a joke, and in that case you got me. If it's not and you honestly want to improve, you want to develop more of a student mindset towards the game. Eventually you should feel confident enough in your game to play AA preflop!

Dude I know you been here a while, your content does interest me and you have a lot of useful insight to share, but you’re truly idiot...... I haven’t the time, or interest in trying to correct your nonsense on this my tread, your a mug straight up!!

 

[jordanbillie]

I'm no longer interacting with this thread as the OP has lost control.

 

[christovam]

I understand your concern, but in the long run it is always good to gain the most from AA. I keep asking for tribet from the villain when I come with pair of aces. If the villain wins, tough. Statistically it is advantageous.

 

[Baldy86]

the only time i personally might fold AA is when i am on the bubble

and if several players go all in preflop . because as you know the more players are in the hand involved the more likely your aces get cracked

other than that i dont see why you would fold AA ?

 

[kon44]

the only time i personally might fold AA is when i am on the bubble

and if several players go all in preflop . because as you know the more players are in the hand involved the more likely your aces get cracked

other than that i dont see why you would fold AA ?

Yep, 5 way it would have been. I’d have wiped out what I’d grinded out of them over a good few hours, 2 of them were tilting in the instance I used in shared experience. Other times I have are pretty much the same as multiple people in prior to my action. Heads up or 3 way max, not so hot when you can’t single out or shut potential danger out.