Does online poker have a future?

[ogMaxVoltage]

You are successful so I will resist giving career advice.
With respect to BOTS they have severe limitations and discovery is now financially painful. Am I mistaken or do BOTS only play top 10% of hands preflop and top two pair, ob post flop?

 

[dgroes]

Glenn, there already BOTS playing on the tables online.

since when and could you care to share how to detect em? thanks

 

[Gigiobari]

the future of poker is in the esports.

think about it, all of us have been attracted by the challenges at the green table among the charismatic phil ivey, tom dwan, doyle brunson etc ...

after the black friday everything was downsized and the absolute monopoly of pokerstars did only damage, who knows how poker would be today if full tilt had still existed

moreover, poker needs to be modernized as it has now been resolved by bots (at least for NLH), how nice it would be to introduce a new depth to poker in order to force everyone (including regulars) to get back in the game 100% and start studying strategies from 0 again.

something like this:

ROUTINE KILLS! :shot:

 

[pawelmad9]

poker is very big and propably not gone die from day to day

 

[Gigiobari]

you are right pawelmad9, poker will evolve into something more modern and deeper :top:

 

[Ricey155]

Poker 100% has a future when you have guys who are willing to risk everything on a get rich quick scheme then your going to attract people into the game. My question do people respect the real high level games? congrats on building a very nice bank roll.

As for bots it does happen I'm more interested in the card shuffling system, you seem to be able to read pretty much what's coming out a lot, OK I don't have the cards but the flop always makes action and 2-3 people hit large hands that they just can't fold. your bluffing the guy with the nuts thinking your ahead over an actual slow play move. It happens so frequently it's not right.

But we try to stay calm

So I am a little bit ahead of most people here in that I am actually capable of playing poker for a living.

With my current win rate if I was to drop out of uni right now not take a job and just play poker full time I could survive pay rent and pay food of poker winnings.

However this is not as good as it sounds my win rate would still put me close to minimum wage though slightly above it. I would not have to pay tax so maybe a bit more then slightly above.

If I made more effort I could make a decent wage in all probability more then I would make when I graduate working for someone so why dont I just do that?

Well because I don't think poker has a future online poker is a sitting duck in my opinion waiting to be exploited and killed by bots. I mass table sit and goes and I realise a lot of my play is robotic true I adapt to certain weird things I see but for the most part the play is pretty much robotic and a bot could be programmed to do the exact same thing I do but much better.

You may think this wont apply to high stakes but ultimately bots have beaten our elites at chess Go and all other games its only a matter of time before bots that can beat anyone appear online. Poker sites have software to track them but then this could be on a second computer scanning the screen and informing a human what to click. perhaps they could detect non human playing patterns but then a bot could be programmed to look more like a human player and appear indistinguishable from a human player.

Once bots properly come onto online poker the game is dead. How long we have until this happen is anyones guess a year 5 years 10 years 20? but it will happen it is inevitable.

Then what life poker? but the issue with that is in order to make a decent living one has to play reasonably high stakes eg £2/5+ blinds considering 100-300 BB buyin for cash tables is the norm depending which casino you go to we could be looking at £500 to £1500 to sit down with on a cash table. Huge variance and one would need say 50 buyins for cash is the standard so a £25000 bank roll yeah anyone who has that capital has better options then poker.

on top of this poker is not really profitable for the casinos in terms of oppertunity cost a roulette or black jack table makes them significantly more money then a poker a table can but the poker is more like a promotion to get people through the doors.

will the casinos even keep poker around much longer? you might say absolutely but who knows either way for sure. and even if they do again huge variance for life poker.

so the question is does poker even have a future in terms of an income or job?

 

[manzanillo53]

Poker will always be around in some form or another as it is a game of skill which can be promoted for it's compition value. casinos make money on the side hustle, people coming to watch spend money, buy items related to poker or items related to there favorite poker player. Even now they are changing the way poker is played, only using half the cards are used. Even NLTH is modified from stud poker, it just seems to have caught on and I think will stay the most popular for some time. Not crazy about the half deck thing.

 

[Gigiobari]

completely agree with you guys. Again, the future of poker is in the esports.


poker needs to be modernized as it has now been resolved by bots (at least for NLH), how nice it would be to introduce a new depth to poker in order to force everyone (including regulars) to get back in the game 100% and start studying strategies from 0 again.


something like this:

 

[Transcendence]

Yes, I will create my own Poker room and call it Absolute Poker, it will be honest, everyone will play with me. Because I am God. That is the Universe, all mine, my World. And then let's see who is a professional and who is not!

 

[frank174]

I think online poker is pretty risky to much wonky stuff happens online,love to play but as long as forced random shuffle exists its more of a bingo game .I agree tho trying to find a good poker room close to home is hard to find.I"ll try building an online bankroll the freeroll way as long as it takes so be it

 

[dzemer]

Of course poker has a future. It exist since wild west and still more and more people loves it. But online poker ? Its still evolving. Now we have a lot of game types an now even VR. But there will be a time when people start to taking steps back to the classic versions and then will everythung starts again.

 

[Gigiobari]

Of course poker has a future. It exist since wild west and still more and more people loves it. But online poker ? Its still evolving. Now we have a lot of game types an now even VR. But there will be a time when people start to taking steps back to the classic versions and then will everythung starts again.

Exactly dzemer!


most people know poker thanks to western movies, now video games like red dead redemption are making it known all over the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoHy2e4EVXg?t=5928

Poker needs charismatic characters who can continually attract new players and get them into poker world.

Live, online... it does not matter, the only important thing is to make poker known as much as possible all over the globe. the old poker community has to open up to the innovations, staying closed is not good for anyone especially for poker itself

Paradoxically, the only way to preserve traditional poker is to explore new fields by allowing everyone to look out into the poker world.

Open your mind guys and don't be scared by the innovation! YEEHAAAAA!!!!! :rock:

 

[Adieadie]

SAD

Is pretty tough.

 

[Newzooozooo]

Hi.
In my case, poker is a hobby. I play for the sake of my pleasure. Of course, I am pleased when I win money, but in any case poker is not my main job that brings me revenue.
Good luck.

 

[Gigiobari]

Hi.
In my case, poker is a hobby. I play for the sake of my pleasure. Of course, I am pleased when I win money, but in any case poker is not my main job that brings me revenue.
Good luck.

For me it is exactly the same.

I think for most people it's like this in 2019. In my opinion, this is not bad and does not mean that poker is dying, but only that it is evolving.

the only way to reinvigorate poker is bring it back to television and streamers/influencers, making it very similar to esports

 

[Rumengh]

I am optimistic and believe that poker has a future as there are millions of players worldwide and profits are high. Many people love the game and I am sure that poker has a bright future.

 

[EuropeanManiac]

If i were you I would focus on becoming the best player you can be. With a solid online background you can transition and crush live tournaments and cash game. You can easily make over 100k winning a large MTT. Doing so a few times a year seems worth it to me.

 

[stangret]

I am sure that online poker has a future. Now most poker rooms are struggling with bots and I think it will be much easier to do over time. In addition, people are more and more interested in online poker.
So I am definitely for online poker future..

 

[kraemer]

End of online poker: bots indistinguishable from human players

End of all poker: android lifeforms indistinguishable from humans

If a bot is indistinguishable from a human, then why should this be bad.
You are playing against humans now, so why runaway when a bot does exactly the same thing that your opponents do ?

 

[Gigiobari]

If a bot is indistinguishable from a human, then why should this be bad.
You are playing against humans now, so why runaway when a bot does exactly the same thing that your opponents do ?

it will take years, maybe decades before a bot plays identically to a human being. today's bots play by GTO and never tilt, they always make the most profitable play in the long run. using a bot is cheating and is rightly forbidden in all poker rooms even if these bots are now present in all poker sites because it is very difficult to locate them.

the only way to survive for online poker is to evolve in a deeper game, much more fun for human players and very difficult for today's bots to understand.

something like this:

 

[19aleks57]

All the good days! I think that online poker attracts all the more players, would have been even greater if all the poker rooms registered everyone ...

 

[danelyCS]

Good thread, however until anyone conclusively proves there are BOTS in online poker, it will always thrive and attract new business.
There are a lot of regulated sites out there with a lot of revenue to lose if we are to fully believe that bots are operating today.
I have played live poker for 9 years now - my cashes were large and infrequent for 4 years and in the last 5, i have become a better player and more consistent player so much so that i aim to turn pro next year...good luck on your future and any decision you make...

First of all I think that yours is a good question and a question that I see a lot in the forums, I think the halls are never going to disappear, and if they are threatened by the fact that people stop playing because of the robots, they are going to take replesalias, they are going to take it seriously and they are going to change their software to avoid the robots, I believe that nowadays they could do it but since they are so focused on their profits they seem to give little importance to the robots, but ceo that it is not impossible to make some changes to leave Offside to the damn robots LOL.
Look I study programming and from what I understand it would be very easy to realize if something is a Human or a Robot, only that the rooms should take things seriously and make some changes, I think if they were affected by the massive loss of Real players would do all they have to do to only allow real people at their tables, but so far it does not seem to worry them, and I think we should not be worried either, but take our precautions if we see something weird on the tables! Regards!

 

[dungnc284]

The future of online poker will depend on tournaments for newbies and anonymous tournaments

 

[VictorOd]

My answer is yes, it's a profitable business. But it's not bright for players. I'm afraid games will be faster, short levels, rebuys and addons everywhere, rake will keep raising.

 

[VisionNutz]

Basically you have no legit facts or evidence backing these statements. Although very well written it is speculation. Reputable companies like pokerstars would be crucified for setting up bots again they dont need to cheat because casinos and online rooms make RAKE which is more than profitable let alone the marketing opportunities presented through third party sites and new depositor promotions that attract new players.

To then write a post kind of falsifying a lot of things detracts from these new players that the poker world would gladly welcome to join the community tbh

If a new player were to read your article not much is motivating them to come and play and learn the game we love right? But then you wonder why the games might die?!

More people are often (including myself) not willing to accept their poor play and blame it in externalities "out of their control"

Online at Pokerstars is safe. It's a great place to learn if you don't have let's say 200 cash for a one time buy in at a live casino.

I can tell you I'm a real player and I've played much higher than yourself at high stakes. It's definitely not robotic. The company has to see your ID to verify you as a player before you even take money out.

Companies like 888 and Pokerstars are also publicly traded on the stock market and being mixed up with that is simply bad business.

Anyway if you're a new player looking to learn and play poker like the pros. Fear not. It is safe!