Just how random ARE the random card generators in poker?

[puzzlefish]

Although they are random, they have algorithms that alternate.

See that's interesting that you say that, because then how many are there and how often do they alternate? And at what point would an alternating algorithm become essentially random?

 

[Amanda A]

I've often wondered about how random the RNG is, sometimes it seems like certain cards are hot that night or cold, but maybe it's like that in real life too?

 

[antonis32123]

Maybe they should change the name . It's everything but random . Lol

 

[Poker Orifice]

When I'm winning >>> it's completely random

When I'm losing >>> It's obviously RIGGED! (right puzzler?)

 

[freerobert]

I think the cards are dealt true randomly. What we humans have a hard time recognizing is when we're winning "with the worse starting cards" or when we're sucking on others on the river ourselves. Our focus is v10x more on the pain of busting than on a hand we win. I mean, how many players have you knocked out of a tournament before you lose in the money on the RIver? Sure some. And they could say the same about your cards here, your cards would treat you preferentially. The mere fact that if a manipulation came out, the whole business would be over, excludes that manipulation is taking place here.

In my opinion, if you want to win, this is where a factor comes into play that is often forgotten: instinct. There is no right to ALWAYS win on the river with a 96% chance of winning. You will lose 4% of all cases. This is the reality and must be accepted when calling on the RIver with a 96% chance of winning.

Good luck

 

[puzzlefish]

When I'm winning >>> it's completely random

When I'm losing >>> It's obviously RIGGED! (right puzzler?)

Nope wrong as usual.

It's always rigged if it is rigged, whether you win or someone else does.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Nope wrong as usual.

It's always rigged if it is rigged, whether you win or someone else does.

Dude. It is a joke. Don't you get it?

 

[puzzlefish]

Dude. It is a joke. Don't you get it?

No dude, jokes are supposed to be funny. But if it's all rigged and people know how to exploit it, it's not fun at all playing when you're not getting the right cards to run good.

 

[Poker Orifice]

No dude, jokes are supposed to be funny. But if it's all rigged and people know how to exploit it, it's not fun at all playing when you're not getting the right cards to run good.

you're hopeless. I'm blocking you as 100% of your posts are ridiculous. I mean... looking for reasons why you're unlucky.. meanwhile you don't know preflop bet sizing, hand selection, etc. etc. Stuff that is ABC beginner play. You're terrible. Why not take a look at that?
Later. my last post to you.

 

[puzzlefish]

you're hopeless. I'm blocking you as 100% of your posts are ridiculous. I mean... looking for reasons why you're unlucky.. meanwhile you don't know preflop bet sizing, hand selection, etc. etc. Stuff that is ABC beginner play. You're terrible. Why not take a look at that?
Later. my last post to you.

Lol. So it's okay to be unlucky if your preflop bet sizing and hand selection is not perfect.

You're👏 a 👏 losing 👏 player 👏 who 👏 is 👏 preaching 👏 this 👏.

👋

 

[KanasTa]

its totally random here is a post i made before to explain
Ok Im a former programmer I worked for AT&T and IBM. Let me tell you one way I would write a simple poker program. I would create an array simply put it is like a box with 52 boxes in it. I would load that array with the 52 cards randomly by using a random number generator from 1 to 52 and assigning each card a number. That mimics a shuffle. Then I could either start dealing out the cards starting at any point I want or randomly select the slots I would choose the cards from. Done, totally random and it would be no different than a live dealer shuffling a deck and dealing the cards. Now what you are implying is after this is done my program makes some sort of decision if A then B. It doesnt, a random program has no decision points other than is the slot I just chose empty (I have already chose that card) or full. To make this example equal a live dealer, he has 52 slots to put those cards in thinking each card is in its own slot while sitting in the deck. He shuffles them randomly filling the slots he then deals them out accordingly.
If you are not tired of reading then yes I could write a program that specifically deals the cards one way and favors certain players or manipulates the cards according to a flop or players hold cards. But that would not be a random deal and that would not pass any certification criteria.

I'm also a developer, but I really believe that online poker platforms use some form of uniformization of profits similar to slot machines so, unless you don't have an average higher edge on ypur game than the rest of the players you can't get out of it.
The fairest thing to do would be to preshuffle the deck instead of randomly exctracting cards from the array at any given time, which they can't because it would represent a security problem.
The slot machines developers, I know it for sure, they have disclosure contracts that forbids them to make public the alghoritms that ensure the provide of the slot machine get 60% and the players get the rest of 40%. I'd not be surprise if same kind of alghoritms are used to ensure all players win and loose just enough to not be lost as clients.

 

[mclay]

There are suspicions, and I’m not the only one, that in small poker rooms the random number generator is not so random.

 

[Recreationalplayer]

Online poker seems to have more action than live poker. Many big pots going to and fro. But that's that.

 

[gravii2011]

Sometimes I think this is far from accidental.

 

[Debi]

I'm also a developer, but I really believe that online poker platforms use some form of uniformization of profits similar to slot machines so, unless you don't have an average higher edge on ypur game than the rest of the players you can't get out of it.
The fairest thing to do would be to preshuffle the deck instead of randomly exctracting cards from the array at any given time, which they can't because it would represent a security problem.
The slot machines developers, I know it for sure, they have disclosure contracts that forbids them to make public the alghoritms that ensure the provide of the slot machine get 60% and the players get the rest of 40%. I'd not be surprise if same kind of alghoritms are used to ensure all players win and loose just enough to not be lost as clients.

For tournaments (which is what most of you play) - how would that lead to profit for the site?

 

[Fumogrosso]

I think they're completely random, even more so than the real deck. The real deck starts from a pre-existing position, the online deck is generated every time, I think

 

[mr.fers_one]

probably by accident. it's just that moving is more often noticed. it happens that one player comes in frankly everything, and it is not clear how to beat him, but this does not mean that tomorrow this player will also be lucky. porer rooms don't care who wins the tournament, Uzbek or Ethiopian, the room gets its own from the contribution to the tournament, and then it's up to the players, because the entrance to the tournament is the same for everyone)) there is no such thing that whoever paid more, the cards are better. it's just that moving is seen better than your luck)) when AA loses a tripsk of twos, then that's it, then the random number generator is twisted, and when pocket threes are against AKs, then it all turns out correctly... you need to be prepared that you can fly out of the game at any time and in the dirtiest way.

 

[laihuynh]

It is a random number generator, but in my opinion it is only for large online pages.

 

[quizzerchris]

I've been flirting with the same ideas for some time. I ended creating a random card generator to test things out: https://randomnamegenerators.io/generators/random-playing-card-generator

 

[Rachidao]

If the program is made to be honest, random generational numbers with the CPU making the math.

 

[19aleks57]

When you go to work after graduation, you begin to understand that practice and theory are not entirely compatible.

 

[kon44]

RNG isn't random at all, between myself and the group I'm head of we've hours of data that proves otherwise. The RNG algorithms have a quota, and as such thrives to complete to bring about it's next cycle. It's why you see repetitive patterns and/or scenarios regarding hands at completion of run out. You'll also notice balancing in regards to "for and against" with sick outs.

This topic makes people crazy for some reason, it baffles me how someone can be soo consumed by a potential reality that defies their comprehension, as common sense alone tells you the RNG can't be random on paper....

 

[puzzlefish]

RNG isn't random at all, between myself and the group I'm head of we've hours of data that proves otherwise. The RNG algorithms have a quota, and as such thrives to complete to bring about it's next cycle. It's why you see repetitive patterns and/or scenarios regarding hands at completion of run out. You'll also notice balancing in regards to "for and against" with sick outs.

This topic makes people crazy for some reason, it baffles me how someone can be soo consumed by a potential reality that defies their comprehension, as common sense alone tells you the RNG can't be random on paper....

The question is can you make it work in your favour or not. Good luck with your group.

 

[louuu19]

sometimes you get the feeling it's not that random espetially in cash games, you see lots f situations where the generator goal is to put more money in the pot regardless of the outcome

 

[mssmotilda]

I think that in some poker rooms they are not random at all.