Is Online Poker Rigged?

[Debi]

A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

 

[belladonna05]

I've been in so many live games, cash and tournaments, where the exact same thing happens as when I play online. People seem to forget there are only 52 cards in a deck and shite happens. You just have to try and remember "that's poker" and try move on to the next hand, if you can't do that, walk away and come back with a better mindset. Something I don't always do and wish I could.

 

[Zorba]

I've been in so many live games, cash and tournaments, where the exact same thing happens as when I play online. People seem to forget there are only 52 cards in a deck and shite happens. You just have to try and remember "that's poker" and try move on to the next hand, if you can't do that, walk away and come back with a better mindset. Something I don't always do and wish I could.

Same here, we notice it more online as we play more hand online, it's as simple as that.

:bath:

 

[ratmantoo]

I've been in so many live games, cash and tournaments, where the exact same thing happens as when I play online. People seem to forget there are only 52 cards in a deck and shite happens. You just have to try and remember "that's poker" and try move on to the next hand, if you can't do that, walk away and come back with a better mindset. Something I don't always do and wish I could.

Couldn't agree more...Now Zorba stop stealing my chips at the ACR freeroll

 

[RounderRob]

you guys should write a site and see the explanation they give you..then you will understand

 

[Luvart]

Of course online poker when it comes to the big, respected, trustworthy poker rooms in not rigged.

The truly good players, either they are cash gamers or MTT grinders, are consistent winners in the long run. This is the greatest evidence that online poker is not rigged. But from time to time there were (and probably are) small, unknown, shitty scam mafia sites. But, is there any reason really to put money at these shady sites, intstead of staying to the big trusted rooms?

 

[NickNation]

i dunno, i dont see people jamming out of position with k6 and winning against premiums as much live as i do online...

i've seen one hand live (break hand) where someone flopped nut flush, and walked away as the other person runner runner fullhoused them and came back confused af....

but thats the only live hand where i said, hey.. i guess you cant play break hands live, either which is a rule i've developed strictly from playing online poker.. the variance in break hands is ****ing ridiculous, but apparently its a little abnormal live, as well

aside from that, i still see way weirder shit online that can only be explained by seeing hole cards.... which, i know from former employees at stars that.. they all have access to, and are encouraged to play.. you know, hole card seeing software. even though they claim employees cant play.

i feel like its much harder to cheat live than online, as well.. so for that fact alone, its much more likely that if somethign happens itll be online.. but rigged vs someone cheating... its not the same thing.

the real question is, how often are they checking that RNG? isle of man law is what, every 5 years? or twice in five??.. lots can be manipulated in the mean time

all of the weird stuff happening on native land in canada and people dont think its weird when pokerstars moves there? lol i mean come on guys... their CEO is a criminal who gets away.. you trust his company? lol

they just dumped a bunch of stock, time to short it and watch it fall but most people agree online poker algo's are designed to incite action - you say tomato, i say tomawto.. that sounds like deck manipulation to me.. which is rigged, no?

 

[Zorba]

Couldn't agree more...Now Zorba stop stealing my chips at the ACR freeroll

I can't now, you're out, as you can probably tell, I'm not taking it too seriously, I'm just passing time at ACR while watching TV.

EDIT: I'm outta there now, AQ < AK, I had a glorious suckout to win a huge pot not long before I went out, I was in 3rd with 45K


:top:

 

[Duraphig]

I don't believe that it is rigged. Though I have had a run of bad luck or a bad beat that made me think it for a second or minute. Just one of those initial reactions/emotions that pops into ones head when things don't go one's way.

I guess unless I see some hard proof that some of these major sites are rigging thing I won't believe it. If that ever did happen though I would probably question every site if I had a bad run.

 

[hugh blair]

The nature of the beast in this case poker blinds rising and all in games is to suck players in price them in to an all in showdown and inevitably somebody has got to win and somebody has got to lose.
Set versus up and down straight draw v flush draw on flop for example happens a lot anybody can win and players find it hard to fold after committing a large portion of stack to the pot.

 

[Edison A]

All poker players have ever thought about it, we have also read a lot about this, for example I have seen videos showing cheating in online casinos, so I think everything is possible, but I also read a very interesting article where he said that if 3,000 players entered a tournament the 2999 are going to say that they cheated and that the game was rigged, I mean only one player who won is going to say that everything was fine, while those 2999 players are going to go the forums complaining about their bad luck, it seemed very logical that explanation, I mean in all the tournaments there are more losers than winners

 

[NBB]

Why not present the complete picture on the subject of online and live safety in poker?
While online poker is generally safe, anyone who has been in the game for at least 10 years remembers the days of certain sites being caught cheating, actually you do not even need to have been playing the game that long to find out what had happened, a simple online search of “poker sites caught cheating ” will present the information for you.
As for Live poker, the comment of “in a situation where it cannot possibly be rigged” Sorry to be a Doubting Thomas “but there are individuals who are “Card Mechanics” that are able to manipulate any deck of cards.
So while extremely unlikely at your local casino, let us not be blind to the deception that had and does exist in this world that we all live in.

 

[MetaDon7577]

I myself often face bad hands.
We must stop it and start everything from the very beginning. I do not think that I was deceived by the room

 

[Debi]

Why not present the complete picture on the subject of online and live safety in poker?
While online poker is generally safe, anyone who has been in the game for at least 10 years remembers the days of certain sites being caught cheating, actually you do not even need to have been playing the game that long to find out what had happened, a simple online search of “Poker sites caught cheating ” will present the information for you.
As for Live poker, the comment of “in a situation where it cannot possibly be rigged” Sorry to be a Doubting Thomas “but there are individuals who are “Card Mechanics” that are able to manipulate any deck of cards.
So while extremely unlikely at your local casino, let us not be blind to the deception that had and does exist in this world that we all live in.

You are talking about individual cheaters - that is a whole different thing than the site itself being rigged.

 

[NBB]

Actually a programmer on one of those sites had access to see all the cards, so you need to include the site in this mix since the programmer was an employee.

also for live poker there was the following: Cleveland Poker Dealer Accused of Cheating
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/11/cleveland-poker-dealer-accused-of-cheating-23236.htm

 

[Debi]

Actually a programmer on one of those sites had access to see all the cards, so you need to include the site in this mix since the programmer was an employee.

also for live poker there was the following: Cleveland Poker Dealer Accused of Cheating
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/11/cleveland-poker-dealer-accused-of-cheating-23236.htm

I disagree - both of those instances are individual employees - huge difference in that and a site purposely rigging the hands so that somehow they can profit from it as a company.

 

[Jayplay916]

I disagree - both of those instances are individual employees - huge difference in that and a site purposely rigging the hands so that somehow they can profit from it as a company.

I like what was said about finding it hard to fold monsters or turn that's turned your monsters into little critters you have to fold some times when you don't want to cause you'll always catch an over aggressive player later

 

[Pickat]

Very good article . Thank you , I feel alot more comfortable after reading that .

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

today played online money 2-5
successfully.
then tournaments 0.11 cents for a prize of $ 100. at 888 and BCP
then there were defeats.
I'm guilty and not online.
*I am a living factor of my failures.
never played offline.
Mrs. Dakota? when I wrote you 1000 messages at once and you cut me off, I would play with you better live poker.
although I think this would be my last career game

 

[ritehere]

Rigged, no don't think so personally. The real question/answer on this subject is why do people (you included) take so many chances online. Be truthful with yourself, this is not chances that you take when you are playing live. So why do you do it online?

 

[makisaa]

Reliability of a poker site is the most important thing. If it is not reliable it will collapse at once.All poker players have seen good moments an bad ones. The only thing we can do is to have open our sences and play as better as we can!

 

[KozakAlex]

I'm frightened by the fact that poker rooms are conducting an aggressive advertising campaign. And they spend a lot of money on this. They need to return them somehow. And on this basis, there are doubts about honesty. But I play very little money. And for the most part it's about freerolls. And regarding the various hands that were supposed to win, and then you look, and the opponent has something better formed on the river. Well, it's okay, he's not just playing, but he thinks he can win. Although often I manage to open a bluff. So, here everything is normal for real reasons to believe that there is not an honest game I do not have.

 

[Shrops]

No

No, I don't believe online poker is rigged at all. You see players chat about it because of bad beats and one outer's but it is just the way holdem goes.

 

[bekel285]

If it's rigged I'm not sure why so many sites would rig it in my favour.

 

[FloppyNutzs]

I'm actually a software engineer. While I have never wrote code for poker platform, I would refuse to write any kind of code that would "rig" a game or hand.

Personally I don't feel like online poker is rigged. I've played enough live poker to see the same things live.

When I play online, I might play anywhere from 1 game to up to 6 or more.
Even just playing at one table online you are probably seeing twice the hands as in live play. So, we are just seeing more hands and seeing more of the 1-5 out rivers or runner runners that statically should not happen very often. As humans those anomalies tend to stick out more than when the cards seem to be running normal.

To prove the online game is rigged you just need a large enough sample of hands and use some software to analyze it. The proof or lack of of is in the data.

I would love to see some break downs of 1 million plus hands from online vs live games to see how the compare.