The Brazilian courts say poker is not a game of chance

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This is good news. Brazillians invade a lot of our games and most of them can't play poker.
 
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Poker of course, in my opinion, is gambling. But in comparison with slot machines, this is the least dependent game for people suffering from gambling addiction.
 
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Lena M said:
Hi :)
I tend to think of poker more as a game of chance than a sport. At least in my understanding, poker is a game of chance. Poker is a strategy, it is a tactic, discipline, skill, experience and patience, however, in the process of the game there are monetary stakes and therefore it is primarily a game of chance.
And so does NASDAQ and NYSE! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Lena M said:
Hi :)
I tend to think of poker more as a game of chance than a sport. At least in my understanding, poker is a game of chance. Poker is a strategy, it is a tactic, discipline, skill, experience and patience, however, in the process of the game there are monetary stakes and therefore it is primarily a game of chance.
Although I appreciate your comment, the game of chance or luck is not characterized by betting, the Olympics are worth gold, gold generates visibility, visibility generates publicity and publicity generates money, so the result of a job requires a salary, as well as the The result of accumulating chips generates a cash prize. NFL champion baseball players, NBA champion players, Rolland Garros champion tennis players, world cup champion football players also earn money through skill, it would be a game of chance if it didn't involve skill, the factor of bluffing in poker can make the player win a game so the cards are not the main factor that decide the moves, that's why poker is the only card game that is not considered a game of chance, if poker is a game of bad luck all other games are too, maybe some players have had the bad luck to naturally be devoid of skills this would be the best definition of bad luck.
 
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  • #30
RoviP said:
Judge José Muiños Piñeiro Filho's decision says that poker is a game of skill and a sport of the mind and not a game of chance. This was found to be the judgement in Sao Paulo back in July 2019.

Good news for Brazil!

CBTH celebrates favourable court decision for poker in Rio de Janeiro
I'm definitely not surprised by that. Just look at how many Brazilians are playing everywhere online. I bet all the judges are on Pokerstars 😂🤣😂😅. But seriously, it's always good to hear that some government or court came to their senses and decided to leave poker alone.
 
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In the short term luck is more important, in the long term skill.
 
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The ruling that poker is a game of skill is a positive step forward for the recognition of poker as a legitimate sport. It acknowledges the complexity and strategy involved in the game and may lead to increased opportunities for players to participate in tournaments and cash games
 
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RoviP said:
Judge José Muiños Piñeiro Filho's decision says that poker is a game of skill and a sport of the mind and not a game of chance. This was found to be the judgement in Sao Paulo back in July 2019.

Good news for Brazil!

CBTH celebrates favourable court decision for poker in Rio de Janeiro
Actually, that was a court decision in Rio de Janeiro, not São Paulo.

There were recent court decisions in São Paulo saying Poker can be classified as gambling so it is up to cities to decide to give a license to cardrooms to operate, meaning they are allowed to refuse to give them.


Poker is in a grey area in Brazil so one single decision in state level doesn't mean poker is legal or illegal.

A decision from the supreme court would end the discussion.
 
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A decision by Ambassador José Muiños Piñeiro Filho, which recognized poker as a skill game and the sport of the mind, represents an important milestone for the practice of the game in Brazil, especially in the state of Rio de Janeiro. A decision about a legal impediment that lasted ten years ago and opens the door to new business opportunities and government support.
 
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Oh mine... I thought they were trying to ban poker back here.

Come on dude, don't do that haha...

But this isn't new information.

By the way, Akari was ultra involved in this process as far as I remember.
 
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Governments try to find excuses to ban or strictly control poker , casino or other formats of gambling , that's bad . But yes , when it comes to poker , it's more skill than luck , at least at tournament and on the long run for sure
It's sad what happens in some countries with all the restrictions. Hopefully one day things will become better , leke they used to it , free gambling , decide free where to spend your money , or time .
 
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I Live Poker said:
Everything in life is a reflection of your actions, online poker is no different. He will repay the respect and dedication you give him.
ok, ok
 
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KUN_AGUERO_KROOS said:
Actually, that was a court decision in Rio de Janeiro, not São Paulo.

There were recent court decisions in São Paulo saying Poker can be classified as gambling so it is up to cities to decide to give a license to cardrooms to operate, meaning they are allowed to refuse to give them.


Poker is in a grey area in Brazil so one single decision in state level doesn't mean poker is legal or illegal.

A decision from the supreme court would end the discussion.
Hello mate, may I ask you if by any chance you are Brazilian?
 
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That´s a great news. I think poker can be more respected and understanded by people in our country.
 
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There's moments in poker where you really are flipping a coin... However, in my opnion, the gme is much more about skill rather than luck.
 
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my question is why did we wait 4 years to celebrate if it happened in 2019?
and what about online poker, is that completely legal?
 
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  • #42
A game of chance is a tombola, or lottery, or pool or even slot machines.
Although in poker the chance inside, more inside the strategies, bluffs, mathematics, skills, knowledge of the opponents.
I cannot take poker as a sport, rather for me it is a beautiful pastime.
Congratulations to the Brazilian judge who takes it wisely
Blessed be so that our brothers can enjoy this beautiful game
Greetings:):):)
 
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Good for poker and poker community in Brazil.
 
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  • #44
jonaselloco said:
Congratulations to the Brazilian judge who takes it wisely
Blessed be so that our brothers can enjoy this beautiful game
Greetings:):):)

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jaymfc said:
my question is why did we wait 4 years to celebrate if it happened in 2019?
and what about online poker, is that completely legal?
In Brazil everything is slow...
 
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judges in the US have allowed online fantasy team sports betting while online poker is only permitted legally in a few states .
 
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2019?

We can play semantics or delude ourselves all day long but poker is gambling. Yes it requires skill so it is also a game of skill but the gambling aspect is too large to be overlooked. The two things are not mutually exclusive as many seem to think. And it does no service to poker to deny that. Or deny how it started, took shape and got popularized originally. As a lot of things in life playing poker for money requires personal discretion. Thus, poker should be available to all of age if they so choose to indulge and I am against any government bans on it. Rather I am for government regulation so shady practices do not get a foothold robbing players.

Restrictions on poker playing in many countries have to do with a lot of politics which has nothing to do with the game itself or poker clients themselves. And that is the biggest problem in that regard. But let us not do mental gymnastics to make poker legal in all places. That also can not be the right thing to do. But rather, lets deal with often nonsensical politics.
 
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  • #48
poker not a game of chance lol brazilian justice always dumb dumb and dumb
 
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I think the same, poker is not a game of chance, but of skill that obviously sometimes you have to have a little luck
 
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