GGMillions CL caught cheating

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So I watch the GGmillions stream weekly (30 min delay) this is a 10,300 dollar tournament with the best online players in the world. There was a scandal 3 weeks back with a relative new account actively getting feedback on a hand actually winning the thing.

This week the chipleader got locked out of his account for real time assistance. GGPoker has released no official statement yet, but Jeff Gross spokesperson and broadcaster for GGPoker just accounced this on stream. This means the chipleader who is a completely fresh account will sit out during the final table.

I know cheating in poker has been a thing forever, but seeing this incident so soon after this other really has me worried how many people cheat online. How do you take this news?

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I heard Jeff say they don't know what was up with that player BUT Security had them 'sitting out' for the rest of the tournament.
I heard him say this more than once.
 
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Is it really possible?

The announcers didn't say he was locked out for 'real time assistance', there were assumptions flying around the chat. None with any proof (yet).
I'm sure GG security will be releasing a statement about it at some point.

For myself, this actually just instills more confidence in the security on the site. If they're finding a guy on the final table of the $10k buyin GGMillions, and locking him out before the tourney even plays out, it would appear they're on top of their game. (security I mean, lol). Although, I'm playing at buyins only 1/1000th of this.
 
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player was 'hinaru' from Mongolia
 
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If there's even decent money to be made there's always cheating and this goes for anything and everything where decent money can be made. The world has always been that way nothing new.

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Imagine if the guy didn't do anything and they just locked him out well knowing that nobody won't believe some guy from Mongolia lol. Did he satellite into it or did he buy in straight away for 10k?
 
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Imagine if the guy didn't do anything and they just locked him out well knowing that nobody won't believe some guy from Mongolia lol. Did he satellite into it or did he buy in straight away for 10k?
They can most likely not freeze an account without this also affecting tournaments already running. Something similar happened on ACR Poker during one of their Venom events. It sucks, if he did nothing wrong, but its also not fair to let him continue to play - and enter more tournaments - if some sort of cheating is suspected.
 
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I think it's very positive how it was handled. If some sort of cheating is suspected, they have to react like this. What i ask myself is, how he would have performed at the FT. Does it become clear that he lacks adaptability later on. Cheating can't compensate for that. At least, I don't think you stand a chance against this professional players.
 
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I will post the official statement here when it comes out, hopefully tonight.

  • Violation: Account Sharing / Ghosting

 
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The announcers didn't say he was locked out for 'real time assistance', there were assumptions flying around the chat. None with any proof (yet).
I'm sure GG security will be releasing a statement about it at some point.

For myself, this actually just instills more confidence in the security on the site. If they're finding a guy on the final table of the $10k buyin GGMillions, and locking him out before the tourney even plays out, it would appear they're on top of their game. (security I mean, lol). Although, I'm playing at buyins only 1/1000th of this.
Yeah you are right, I shouldn't have relied from someone in chat saying it. I thought Jeff said it but I'm clearly in the wrong here. Still happy I shared and shows it's always best to wait for the official announcement.

Thank you @moots for sharing! Very interesting.
 
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I think it's very positive how it was handled. If some sort of cheating is suspected, they have to react like this. What i ask myself is, how he would have performed at the FT. Does it become clear that he lacks adaptability later on. Cheating can't compensate for that. At least, I don't think you stand a chance against this professional players.

He had assistance from another top pro... 'ghosting' (someone else was playing on 'hinaru' account)

hinaru has been permanently banned from GGPoker and the player who was using hinaru's account was also permanently banned.

Apparently there was only $138 in previous winnings on the hinaru account. (Probably won it in a freeroll and then feeling confident in how he'd crushed the freerolls he went for the big one!)
 
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He had assistance from another top pro... 'ghosting' (someone else was playing on 'hinaru' account)

hinaru has been permanently banned from GGPoker and the player who was using hinaru's account was also permanently banned.

Apparently there was only $138 in previous winnings on the hinaru account. (Probably won it in a freeroll and then feeling confident in how he'd crushed the freerolls he went for the big one!)
Yeah the stream and table itself was very chaotic too tuesday, with people flaming in chat because Hinaru was sitting out. Maybe it was Hinaru himself, we don't know. Crazy story though, next stream is in 2 weeks. Cannot wait to watch it, love the coverage and pro commentary with it.
 
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How could they block the chipleader right during the game? If the poker room has evidence of fraud, then they could verify this and do the necessary procedure at the end of the tournament.
 
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He had assistance from another top pro... 'ghosting' (someone else was playing on 'hinaru' account)
I know, GG Poker use this word themselfes, but for me "ghosting" means getting real time strategy advice from another human. Like someone standing behind you or being on the phone and giving advice like "I would call", "I would jam", "I would fold" etc. What seemingly happened here, was, that someone other than the official owner was simply playing the "hinaru" account. Which makes it a case of account sharing rather than ghosting.
Apparently there was only $138 in previous winnings on the hinaru account. (Probably won it in a freeroll and then feeling confident in how he'd crushed the freerolls he went for the big one!)
Yeah that does not make a lot of sense, unless perhaps if he "binked" some kind of satellite and turned a small investment into a $10k entry. If he bought in directly, it seems more likely, that he agreed to let another player use his account for the high roller, and that this other player was the one paying the $10k entry fee.
How could they block the chipleader right during the game? If the poker room has evidence of fraud, then they could verify this and do the necessary procedure at the end of the tournament.
It was a multi day event. The violation was detected during day 1, which played on November 9, 2025, and then the account was blocked, before the final table began on November 11, 2025. So they had at least a whole day possibly even two days to complete their investigation.
 
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How they know when someone is ghosting?
 
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Even in regulated sites, people shark cash tables together, ghost cards, etc etc.

Greed finds a way.
 
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Imagine if the guy didn't do anything and they just locked him out well knowing that nobody won't believe some guy from Mongolia lol. Did he satellite into it or did he buy in straight away for 10k?
I guess they had no problem taking his buy in. It's only when he started to win that they had an issue.
 
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How they know when someone is ghosting?
Usually because they are lazy with third party Apps, example screen share software, voice comms, etc.

You no longer have to guess what blockers you got vs their range, etc, seen groups sit out on 6 handed tables, wait for one or two guys, and they essentially know when you're drawing dead.

poker sites used to block same household IP ranges, but its not a guarantee there is a ring of cheaters.

Handhistory is also a big part of revealing cheating rings.
 
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I guess they had no problem taking his buy in. It's only when he started to win that they had an issue.
The buy-in goes towards the tournament prizepool... at least $10,000 of it does. They get $300 tourney fee/rake.

Your comment shows either how little of this thread you've read, or that you've just zoomed on on the one massive rigged theorist's post (known for constant 'rigged' posts around the forum) and chose to run with it.

Are you aware that hinaru's 'winnings(?)' from this tournament will be distributed amongst the players who entered that tournament?
"It's only when he started to win that they had an issue" <<< well then why didn't they do this to dozens of other players in that tournament... some with 10 & 20 MILLION in cashes?
Don't you find it suspect that what I'm assuming was a 'newer' account (I mean it must be pretty new if there was only $138 in total cashes) is the big chip leader on the final table of the biggest online tournament in the world that runs each week that has the largest number of top tournament poker pros in the World. And surely they had much more evidence than this as they were able to pinpoint who the other player was who was playing on this account and banned both of them.
 
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If he actually cheated, I think it's great from GG that they found out. If he hasn't cheated, of course, then it's really bitter. I don't know what the evidence is that GG has.

In general, however, I believe that there will always be scams in poker where there is a lot of money involved, the temptation is simply too great from some people.
 
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cheaters on gg not shocked at all.
 
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