Ignition/Bovada RNG

[Highpants]

Looking at the (expired) iTech Labs license. The RNG certificate only covers CASINO GAMES — nothing on nonVideo poker (player vs player)


Based on hundred thousands of hands:
We are playing predetermined flops/outcomes. Theres no RNG. The software program Is the same as single-player offline Poker. SCRIPTED not RIGGED. Trap Hands. Coolers. Arcade style Action Flops. ALL SCRIPTED. Theres no TRUE Quantum Mechanics


Cheating at Ignition 1000 PERCENT legit. Collusion. Bots. Hot IP trackers. Shills with Admin access. REAL and unREGULATED. Bovada and Ignition ARE THE SAME COMPANY


Doesnt mean you cant make money Just have to beat the System


For the Skeptics. You are WORSE then BadBeat truthers. YOU ARE GETTING PLAYED

Definitely not variance!!!! rolls against you like clock work

 

[djasset]

if it is scripted this way, i would assume it is in hopes of maximum rake, no?

 

[djasset]

maybe play smaller pots, and avoid going all in? >or - only shove preflop where there is less rake?

 

[metheman]

This just happened to me yesterday in an MTT I was playing in on Bovad.


This is called "variance" in poker. I don't feel anymore "cheated" at Bovada then I would at any other poker site.

I had to create an account only to ask this: why you people never talks about the expired rng certificate? It is not relevant at all for you?
I see several players ranting about their bad beats and then people only reply to the easy to reply portion: "it's variance", " it's not rigged" ok, but should'nt a company have a validy rng certificate? Please reply to this.

 

[metheman]

Here goes something to ponder:

Does the milk industry puts mind control substances into your milk? No.
Would you buy a milk bottle from an industry with expired or non-existent health departmant license?

 

[jappchop]

never played there

 

[Patknicks]

i agree 1000% percent. ignition has some foul nonsense going on. its gotten worse in the past 3 months or so. the KILL SWITCH IS alive and well.

 

[bstyles85]

I had to create an account only to ask this: why you people never talks about the expired rng certificate? It is not relevant at all for you?
I see several players ranting about their bad beats and then people only reply to the easy to reply portion: "it's variance", " it's not rigged" ok, but should'nt a company have a validy rng certificate? Please reply to this.

I understand your concern(s). But, to a certain degree, any site you play on is going to require some level of trust, whether that be in the site itself of the regulators. There are countless examples of different products or entities that are heavily regulated but still managed to commit fraud. Full Tilt, Enron, Bernie Madoff, Volkswagon are just a few that come to mind of large-scale frauds conducted in heavily regulated environments.

I think if you find yourself unable to shake the pervasive thought that there are bots or other nefarious forces at play on the site that you're playing on that it could be detrimental to your game even if they're not actually there. It could become easy to attribute losing sessions to these forces that you'll likely never be able to confirm instead of what you did wrong or how you can improve your game.

I can't make any claims about iIgnition or Bovada and their adherence to game integrity but I've generally found it to be a good site to play on with the softest fields and I'm not too concerned about any issues on there that many people mention.

 

[Kiritoe]

inhouse bots do exist. They are there to offer you bad beats and take their money back to the house.

 

[FakerFangirl]

Why is 56 offsuit calling 4bet preflop? Why is a 3 kicker gutshot calling continuation half-pot bets? There is nothing I can do to make the trash hands fold, yet no one will call a 1/12th pot bet when I have overpair... Why are there so many players at 2AM? Why does everyone stop raising flush draws and straight draws after midnight?? Guess I am just bad at Bodog poker! The real winners go all-in preflop with 22 and K7. Feeling salty about my bad beat and cherrypicking. Maybe someday I'll be able to type out my bet-size in 0.0 seconds.

 

[buhula]

I have some proof about their cheating

I specifically tracked the players who knocked me out with VERY weird hands 64suited, K7 suited,.. u named it...

After I was knocked out, I left the tourney windows open and tracked the player #

In the two tournaments I tracked ( Yes, I wasted my time but I was curious), each of these two DONKs made to the final table in their tourney ( one finished at 4th, the other finished at 5th , right, they are not that greedy LOL). They just kept winning with ugly hands at critical moments.

Who want to give a try next time ? I have enough with this site ! hope some of you guys get out there as well.

 

[paintedbynumbers]

Bovada is back to their garbage again. It's funny they are no longer licensed and thats when all the bad beats hit. Twice today in omaha I had my Aces cracked by the same guy with 5's. Both times a 5 hit on the flop and he won with no low hand to be found. If it happens once sure I get it, it's poker. But to happen twice with the same guy winning the hand is a bit sketchy. The guy ended up winning the whole sit and go as well. He was also the only one at the table not using the predetermined "wow" nice hand" chat. Fishy. I'm not playing cards on there until they get licensed. I would advise others to beware as well.

 

[NE Grinder]

Bovada Needs a Review

This is my first post. First, hello everyone, Ive heard some great things about Cardschat and I am excited to chat here.
Now to the nitty gritty.

Ive been playing on Bovada off and on for over 5 years now. It always had some silliness that comes with online poker, and definitely instances on collusion. Last year I went on a multi-day 5/10 grind and was experiencing some very bizarre play so I walked away from the higher limits as it was a little too suspect. I decided to go on another grind at lower limits this past week. I must say, they need an internal investigation or something of the kind. I went on a two day grind session with about 12 hours in total. I have never run into the beats like these anywhere else. And not just standard suspect beat, they've grown even worse, and the play is as about as questionable as I have seen.

First just a few examples. I had AA vs A3 in a 100pp spin and go, sure enough flip is 2-4-X. Turn 5 and I don't remember the river. Next was the QJ J3 hand in another spin and go. Guy raises big pre, I call. Flop is J3X. I jam as its a spin and go, he snap calls obviously. Next is probably the most egregious. In the early hands of a 3 seat spin and go, if not the first hand, its AA, QQ, AQ, with me holding the AA. I have the virtual nuts. Nope. 4 hearts run out for the AQ to win. The player with the absolute worst odds to start smashes. ANd there were at least two more huge hands in other tournies where I was holding Ace/Big raise, getting re-raised all in with 82, flop 868. Same with KQ on K5 5-8-3, or AK on A2, 2-8-9. That happened so much I started to expect it.

It seemed way worse than the already suspect play in the past. I immediately went to the forums. That's where I saw they don't have a license anymore. These runouts and bad plays make so much more sense. My personal opinion is they need to be investigated and you should stay away until it happens, or they get their license back.

 

[AlbieTross]

No freerolls. But, there is some juicy tournaments coming up from the end of July to the end of August! Looking forward to playing in a few of them.

I was considering depositing into Ignition this summer. After seeing this I might definitely do it!

 

[ScooperNova]

Sketchy to post advertisements for the sites tourneys in this thread. Credibility reduced to zero.

 

[Kirs10c]

U can beat the system?? Cmon now its scripted for the fact that its rigged theres no real poker player that's playing $10/$20 bet 3/4 of his bankroll on 3 2 off suit(heart spade)while I have AK spade suited and the flop A club K club 3diamond turn 3 club river 3 spade. Now you tell me that ain't rigged

Completely agree. I have seen this same situation many of times. The chip leader at the table wins most of the time.

 

[Jtlending]

If it’s not rigged then why no live dealer?

If I was a betting man, (Obviously I’m being facetious) I’d bet all of the sites use bots, or whatever means, and if a simple review of how and what your sign up bonuses are able to be used at doesn’t paint an exact picture of what games the casino has control over, then I ask one simple question, why is there no live no limit poker? They have live dealer blackjack, they have live dealer roulette, live dealer dice. Oh, you got me, you got me, there is live dealer poker - ultimate poker, the only game in the casino that the cards just happen to be shuffled by a computer and are obviously manipulated. I mean, poker is bigger than all of those games combined. It’s so big that there aren’t any live dealer no limit poker sites offered. My guess is it’s so profitable that casinos would be giving money away and we all know how often casinos give away money. Really what the casino is giving away with live dealer poker would be “odds”. And it’s because of the odds you still have a chance to win at poker. The casino isn’t rigging the games so that everyone loses all the time, but I guarantee they are turning the odds 10-15% in their favor, (maybe more) - Just like the slot machines are set to pay out at an exact percentage. I mean there are people that win big at the slots, but idk about you, but it kinda seems a bit sacrilegious to leave a game like poker up to a script, or percentage. Actually, I thought the whole argument that was allowing poker to be played legally was that poker is a “game of skill” not chance. This argument doesn’t hold much water when the sites are dictating who gets what cards and when . It brings me much disappointment to say, imo, all (for cash) on line poker sites , that I’m aware of, are comparable to ultimate poker at best, and that’s a game I don’t play because it’s scripted. Something else to keep in mind is there is nothing stopping the sites from doing this, so what would keep them honest? I’d almost consider them stupid if they weren’t doing this at least a small percentage of the time. Why else would they need to keep a players tendencies? If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then it’s a duck! Ironically, I’m sure it’s the casino that considers their customers as the “ducks”. Whatever side of the preverbal pond you sit, arent we all just trying to get our ducks sick? And with that I say quack, quack.

 

[paintedbynumbers]

so I have recently cashed out from Bovada (mostly sports winnings) and ever since I have not hit 1 single feature on a slot or 1 single bounty from a tournament. In tonight's $22 bounty I had JK the Flop was A 8 J offsuit, another J hits on the turn I go all in the other guy snap calls. He has J8. What are the odds in a 6 handed game that pretty much just started someone would call my 320 preflop bet and hit two pair, then snap call my 600 chip bet to hit the boat on the turn with a J8. Mind you this is a 6 handed game. Yeah Bovada is fixed and they make it obvious.

 

[kcc1717]

Bovada is back to their garbage again. It's funny they are no longer licensed and thats when all the bad beats hit. Twice today in omaha I had my Aces cracked by the same guy with 5's. Both times a 5 hit on the flop and he won with no low hand to be found. If it happens once sure I get it, it's poker. But to happen twice with the same guy winning the hand is a bit sketchy. The guy ended up winning the whole sit and go as well. He was also the only one at the table not using the predetermined "wow" nice hand" chat. Fishy. I'm not playing cards on there until they get licensed. I would advise others to beware as well.

I have been aware that Bovada and Ignition lost their regulation back in 2016 (https://www.onlinepokerreport.com/22405/bovada-surrenders-online-gambling-license/)

The iTech Lab RNG certification was still up on their site on 02/2018... a year after it expired. Why Bovada/Ignition did not continue to have their RNG certified made no sense to me, especially considering they lost regulating body, if that means much anyway, don't know.

Regardless, any online gaming site displaying an RNG certificate done by a third party can only be a positive so never made sense to me why Bovada/Ignition would decide to remove an extra level of trust for players.

The reason I got from Ignition is that they don't have too. So why did they do it to begin with? To gain players trust...and like me until I looked up on iTech Labs and saw the certificate was expired for over a year, I would have never thought twice about it.

 

[Gwawk55]

I've played offline and online poker for over 15 years and I must say the rng or script plus actions on bovada, ignition seem to go beyond variance. Of course I can't prove anything and can only speak on experience. I am a grinder and in general the math seems to be strange to me compared to other sites and live on this site. Too many 80%+ favorites hands lose. Ak vs Ax /KQ vs Kx lose more then it should. The cap for me was a week ago deep in a $30 tournament I pushed with KK with about 25 BB 2nd to act and got called by the BB within 5 seconds who had about 30 BBs with j6o. Flop jj2 turn 6. I play occasionally for entertainment on this site or so I tell myself but there is definitely something funky about this site. My gut tells me it is scripted in a way that evens the playing field for sharks and fish so that the company can reap in more rake while retaining the players who play poorly.

 

[ScooperNova]

so I have recently cashed out from Bovada (mostly sports winnings) and ever since I have not hit 1 single feature on a slot or 1 single bounty from a tournament. In tonight's $22 bounty I had JK the Flop was A 8 J offsuit, another J hits on the turn I go all in the other guy snap calls. He has J8. What are the odds in a 6 handed game that pretty much just started someone would call my 320 preflop bet and hit two pair, then snap call my 600 chip bet to hit the boat on the turn with a J8. Mind you this is a 6 handed game. Yeah Bovada is fixed and they make it obvious.

Ah, the infamous blovada cashout curse. I experienced this on multiple occasions years ago dating all the way back to the glory days of bodog branding.

 

[djasset]

zoom is insane with badbeats, or just people all over the place with syles

 

[aidos22]

Oh, I wasn't saying Bovada/Ignition is rigged. I was telling the OP that these kinds of hands happen on any site and in live games. There is nothing "rigged" about variances in the game of poker.

Too be honest, I see these kinds of thread pop up way too often and it gets kind of old.

Understandable to make the it’s getting old comment. I just been reading a few posts and picked yours to enter in upon this discussion because I have something on this topic I haven’t heard people say much before so may not be so old for you to hear. Anthony suggests that it’s rigged the same way offline is ie set the game level offline before you start easy medium or hard difficulty. On hard you keep losing and on easy you always win yes the outcomes and variance are possible times any varriance by infinity it’s possible. Including winning lottery 10 weeks in a row ect. I like Anthony’s opinion but would like to add to it they ve made this thing called cryptocurrency a circulating market of buyin buy outs. The click of a button and you can watch the markets go up and down with supply and demand. So the casino makes its money from raking per hand or rake per tourney buy in so you simply shuffle people’s money around like a circulating market. So the casino has motive to bias a player who has lost to for the last half hour is now winning back a portion of there losses in order to keep them at there average market value for longer which mean of course they will put back in playing more games. Which means more games played and more rake. Offline games register your raises folds position extra extra good consistency is rewarded with winning bad decisions or having a bit of a fish cuz you’ve been grinding for hours bit of a gamble to have some fun aka bad decisions you ll find your self running into kk against AA. So pros become a reality. So the supercomputer can use this and leave them to there grinding ways. Any site with no license and no organisation checking there rng and systems is no doubt riggin it. Read ignition fine print they basically admit it and anonymous tables good way to use bots for there own way of never not making garantee in bigger game payouts. In the introduction page ignition casino read its instruction on how to play it suggest to green players if they have just sign on to the site they will be more likely to win a big tornament. Black jack 21 surposed to work of this rng systom play even for fake money it’s not random it’s calculated computer decisions with ‘o’ that’s just variance as a way of justified cheating. Any way end rant I love poker and still play online unfortunately with auz politics at the moment can’t play on sites that are licensed. Good luck at the tables all and hope one day we all play on/in casino with 100 percent integrity and trust

 

[capt red]

if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

 

[aidos22]

U can beat the system?? Cmon now its scripted for the fact that its rigged theres no real poker player that's playing $10/$20 bet 3/4 of his bankroll on 3 2 off suit(heart spade)while I have AK spade suited and the flop A club K club 3diamond turn 3 club river 3 spade. Now you tell me that ain't rigged

Mmt would depend icm
Cash you would have to know all the hands these players saw on the table. There are players who would consider 10 /20 nothing add meta to the mix and theres your call
Newly arrived player does that and you lose obviously as you are good player you have bankroll managment in consideration quickly buy back in and continue with your method which is over infinity the better hands will win more times then they loses and player playing 2/3 off are your target players be disciplined lower your heart rate and let go of the previous outcome your tight range completly relies on you doing that or else the bad beat and on going tilting you will allways turn a loss. also reseach ak vs 23 preflop odds your miles ahead yes but not as much as you seem to be suggesting its a certainty after a flop prehaps maths can give you a more educated bet decision