How many times you get a KK,QQ or JJ and the other one gets an AA?

[515bastos]

How many times you get a KK,QQ or JJ and the other one gets an AA? I see that happen constantly on online poker!

 

[FoldingAces]

The usual amount. It has been proven with large amount of stats that online poker is not rigged, don't know why people keep talking about it.

 

[peddy.jr.85]

The usual amount. It has been proven with large amount of stats that online poker is not rigged, don't know why people keep talking about it.

Because if they stack off 200bbs early in a tournament AIPF with JJ and run into QQ+ it must be rigged. There is def no other, better explanation. (Sarcasm)

 

[Stepgov]

This happens often.

 

[vinnie]

It happens about 3.85% of the time, exactly as often as you expect it to happen.

 

[619Leafs]

How many times you get a KK,QQ or JJ and the other one gets an AA? I see that happen constantly on online poker!

Happen to me all the time and its always I getting the short end.

Another instance I got the bigger pair but a set/trips comes for the opponent I am facing.

 

[Bob23bk]

The usual amount. It has been proven with large amount of stats that online poker is not rigged, don't know why people keep talking about it.

Do you have any links for this? I always hear about these 'proofs' but never can seem to track any down.. I actually made a thread a few days ago "re: the elusive Million hand sample analysis" asking this same thing. The thread got 160 views, no responses

 

[FIERROS]

I get them often sometimes I win sometimes I don't part of the game

 

[vinnie]

I will go look for some of the hand analysis stuff, but if you have your own database, you can check it for yourself. You have enough hands for many of the obvious tests. Do you get AA as often as you should (hands ÷ 221) within a reasonable margin of error? Same for the rest of the pairs. What about suited AK and unsuited AK? Do they show up as often as they should?

I did find one study, tonight, with 37 million hands. But it was on winrates and how players who were winning at one point in time were likely to be winning at later points, when they checked. It was used to discuss proof that this is a skill game and not luck. But, it does show that if it was rigged, it tends to stay rigged for the same players.

Usually, I find these claims made by people who don't have databases. Back when I played a lot (pre black Friday) I had a 300k hand database for cash games. It was abundantly clear that I was getting hands at the expected percentages. Even though I had times where I saw weird stuff.

One example, I flop top set against flopped middle set 100xbb deep. Stacks go in on the turn. The other player rivered quads and won. The very next hand, I have reloaded to 100xbb. I flop middle set against the same player. On the turn, we get the money in again. He has top set. But, I rivered quads and won.

What are the odds of that happening back to back with the same two players? I don't even know. But, I do know that my top set lost to quads as often as the math said it should. And that I hit quads on the river as often as I should have when holding a set. So, it looked weird in the moment, but a broad view showed everything exactly like it should be.

 

[Bob23bk]

if you have your own database, you can check it for yourself. You have enough hands for many of the obvious tests.

I feel this is a slippery slope- we can't claim that a large enough sample size will prove it while we extrapolate from our own smaller sample sizes. Then people who claim it is rigged could extrapolate from their own small samples 'proving' the opposite. The sample size is inherently critical

I did find one study, tonight, with 37 million hands.

Link, please? I believe you and understand it's not entirely relevant, but I'm interested nonetheless

Usually, I find these claims made by people who don't have databases.

I only have ~20k hands, I don't think it's rigged but I'd really like to find some of these 'million hand reviews' that are mentioned all the time. It seems any time someone mentions poker being rigged somebody mentions 'the elusive Million hand sample analysis' that everyone has read but nobody has a link to

Oh, and thanks for replying! You're one of a few people I seem to often interact with here :top:

 

[masha535]

Lately more and more often , but you need to be able to throw

 

[quick]

We generally see way more hands online than live. So even though the frequency seems higher of these occurrences, it's more due to the increased number of hands rather than a statistical anomaly. But if people have doubts about a site they play on, check their RNG certifications if you want to sleep better at night. And if you really want to sleep well, ask yourself why any site would risk their entire income stream to rig the cards against you. I mean if they wanna steal your money they can do it without all that technical coding work...but then no one would play there anymore anyways.

And yes it's possible to see statistically rare hands happen back to back. But then again it's not so rare when you realize 20% of the time KK will crack AA and 40% of the time 76 suited will crack AA: http://www.pokerlistings.com/online-poker-odds-calculator.

 

[Bob23bk]

20% of the time KK will crack AA and 40% of the time 76 suited will crack AA: http://www.pokerlistings.com/online-poker-odds-calculator.

This one's close

^ but this one :hmmmm:​

 

[Yoo]

No to often,but is allways end of game for me sadlly)

 

[vov4ik]

It happens to me almost through the tournament, I KK -QQ -JJ -1010 and the other one comes TT and comes to me SET very rarely, I do not know on which card to play so as not to lose to the player of chips who plays with TT, and this is very insulting

 

[Djmickre]

This happens often to me

 

[walluyo]

How many times you get a KK,QQ or JJ and the other one gets an AA? I see that happen constantly on online poker!

Yes it is happen to me, not often. But sometimes i have AA and the other have smaller pair

 

[poliaris747]

Yes, I very much face such situations! Maybe this is because of the large number of hands played? These situations lead to certain thoughts!

 

[vinnie]

I feel this is a slippery slope- we can't claim that a large enough sample size will prove it while we extrapolate from our own smaller sample sizes. Then people who claim it is rigged could extrapolate from their own small samples 'proving' the opposite. The sample size is inherently critical



Link, please? I believe you and understand it's not entirely relevant, but I'm interested nonetheless



I only have ~20k hands, I don't think it's rigged but I'd really like to find some of these 'million hand reviews' that are mentioned all the time. It seems any time someone mentions poker being rigged somebody mentions 'the elusive Million hand sample analysis' that everyone has read but nobody has a link to

Oh, and thanks for replying! You're one of a few people I seem to often interact with here :top:

I am going to try and address this back in your other thread. That way we don't drag this one too far off topic.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/re-elusive-million-hand-sample-analysis-342633/

 

[Marinade23]

It happened to me in these 2 days 4 times! I lost all of them.
I had QQ- KK- KK-JJ. And every time nothing on board to kinda help me a little bit. NOOOO the AA must win no matter what

And once I got AA and i lost from a flush, yeaay...

 

[Aglarion]

You reminded me of a tournament I was playing yesterday, 3rd in chips with around 60 people left, I got kings and another big stack got aces, as expected I didn't get much farther in that tournament.

 

[515bastos]

My thread wasn't about rigged poker, but warning about all in pre-flop with high pairs

 

[PKRNRS]

Yes and you will continue to see it. If nothing else it will teach you to fold big hands. Or in my case continue to lose with them.

 

[GRIN281289]

Lately more and more often

 

[vinnie]

My thread wasn't about rigged poker, but warning about all in pre-flop with high pairs

Right, but how worried should we be? At a 9 handed table, we only run into a better pair:

Holding KK: 3.85% of the time
Holding QQ: 7.57% of the time
Holding JJ: 11.17% of the time
Holding TT: 14.64% of the time

And, all of those stats are assuming we are UTG with 8 people left to act behind us. When people have folded to us, we have even less of a chance of running into them. With 10-10 on the Button, there's only a 3.88% chance of running into a bigger pair.

After considering that, we need to run some equity calcs to determine if we should profitably shove. Getting called by a bigger pair sucks, but we win some of the time anyway. We also get called by worse hands, sometimes. Which makes our hand even better.

In short, I don't get too paranoid about bigger hands being out there.