$10 NLHE 6-max: QQ vs 3rd flush card on the turn

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Now i'm pretty sure i have to make the river call.Should i have c-bet the turn?

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1218395
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CO: $10.68
BTN: $10.65 24\17\1 ~60 hands
SB: $4.48
BB: $9.56
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $13.64

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q :diamond: Q :heart:
Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 2 :spade: 2 :heart: 9 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.55) 6 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

River: ($4.85) 5 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.95
 
baudib1 said:
b/f turn
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Even though we have the Qh?

I like how you played it OP. It keeps the pot small, it allows us to lose the least when he has a boat/flush, it allows him to bluff hands like A high if he's so inclined, and it keeps us in the hunt with our Qh flush draw. I'd like it more if villain was more aggressive, but 60 hands doesn't tell us much so nh.
 
we should basically never c/c turn and river in a spot like this.
 
Basically because B/F is the immortal, stone-cold nuts and C/C allows opponents to play perfectly.
 
Hogwash. What is villain's perfect play with 77-88, TT-JJ, and lone hearts here? The moment we check he likely assumes we have an underpair or two big cards, thus allowing him to make the exact wrong play.

What I failed to mention before is there is deception in the check which adds value over b/f if our opponent isn't a total passive nit.
 
Sysvr4 said:
Hogwash. What is villain's perfect play with 77-88, TT-JJ, and lone hearts here? The moment we check he likely assumes we have an underpair or two big cards, thus allowing him to make the exact wrong play.

What I failed to mention before is there is deception in the check which adds value over b/f if our opponent isn't a total passive nit.
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I agree with this.Also i know there is not a lot of floaters at 10nl but none the less there is a few and c\c gives us a chance to win with out letting them bluff raise us out of the pot.
 
No one at 10NL turns 88 into a bluff or bluff-raises you out of the pot when you bet a third heart.
 
baudib1 said:
No one at 10NL turns 88 into a bluff or bluff-raises you out of the pot when you bet a third heart.
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What about the villain who floats the flop to reevaluate the turn.When the 3rd heart hits the check might look ultra weak giving this villain the green light to try to steal the pot.
 
You should still b/f because you'll get value from his pairs and single H hands (not that he has many of those) that will call the turn but not bet, because everyone at 10 NL calls more than they bet.
 
baudib1 said:
No one at 10NL turns 88 into a bluff or bluff-raises you out of the pot when you bet a third heart.
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I'm not particularly aggressive, and I raise this all day long with TT/JJ with one heart on the turn for value, for a free showdown, etc. You don't have to be floating to raise this turn.
 
baudib1 said:
post the hand histories
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You should take my reticence on this as a clear indication that I misrepresented myself in the previous post, and not in any way that I have no desire whatsoever to comb through a hundred thousand hands to find a few that would placate some random internet schmuck. Thanks, take care.
 
well if you do turn 88-JJ w/heart into a bluff all day vs. a tight UTG who double barrels here you should have plenty of examples. just find one. and move up in stakes cuz you could crush NL100
 
baudib1 said:
well if you do turn 88-JJ w/heart into a bluff all day vs. a tight UTG who double barrels here you should have plenty of examples. just find one. and move up in stakes cuz you could crush NL100
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not exactly, but close enough.
 
Anyone like to share how you play this hand?

I’m interested to learn how you play the turn street as hero with pocket queens.

what might be the highest EV play
on the turn for Hero while OOP with QQ?

( hero Checking the turn or hero betting the turn with the pocket queens).

The next time I post i will post a hand that I’ve actually played.
 
Since someone revived this old thread, I will post my analysis of the hand, even though it was played 14 years ago, and OP will likely never read this - or care if he do.

Preflop
4BB open raised was fairly common 14 years ago, but today no good players use such large sizing online. 2,5BB is fine for a 10NL cash game.

Flop
Flop C-bet is also larger, than what most good players would do today.

Turn
With the flushdraw completing, but Hero also holding a flushcard as a blocker and a draw to the third nut flush, I like check-calling the turn.

River
For this price I am definitely calling again. We only need to win somewhere between 1 in 4-5 times, and the opponent could even be value betting a worse hand like JJ or TT.
 
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