$2 NL HE 6-max: Villain shoved a massive stack at the turn, call?

miklcct · Jun 8, 2026

My stack was $2.27, sitting at UTG (fast fold, 6 people), hole cards were Kd Kc.
Villain's stack was $7, sitting at CO.
Everyone else at the table folded pre-flop.

I opened $0.04, villain 3-bet to $0.15, I 4-bet to $0.32, he called.

The pot was now $0.67, the flop was Ks 6d 9h, I hit a set of K. I made a small c-bet of $0.17 which villain called.

The pot was now $1.01. The turn was Tc, a total rainbow. I made another c-bet of $0.26 which was responded by a massive shove of $6.51

The only hand which would beat me at this point was any QJ. Should I call it? Is QJs in range of calling a 4-bet pre-flop and calling a 1/4-pot c-bet on K69 rainbow?

DaMooca · Jun 8, 2026

Because in all Streets you only bet 25% of the pot, wouldn't it be better to raise the bet to extract the maximum with your premium hands?
As for his hand, it's quite difficult for NL2 players to call a 4bet with QJ, even suited hands, so I think it's a pretty easy call. If he has QJ, congratulations to him.

miklcct · Jun 9, 2026

DaMooca said:
Because in all Streets you only bet 25% of the pot, wouldn't it be better to raise the bet to extract the maximum with your premium hands?
As for his hand, it's quite difficult for NL2 players to call a 4bet with QJ, even suited hands, so I think it's a pretty easy call. If he has QJ, congratulations to him.

Isn't it standard to bet small on dry flops?

fundiver199 · Jun 9, 2026

Preflop
I think, you are leaving money at the table with this sizing preflop. Open raise to at least 2,5BB, and probably 3BB is better still. 4-bet should put at least 20BB into the pot, and since you are more than 100BB deep, 25BB is better. At 2NL people are not that elastic in their calling ranges, and you dont need to worry about bet sizing tells in a Zoom game. So just get more money into the pot, when you have a premium hand.

Flop
It kind of sucks, that you have top set, because it block top pair quite a bit. And for that reason I like a small sizing. It can even induce some spazz raises, which would of course be great.

Turn
At this time its all about pot geometry. You have $1.78 left, and you want to set it up for an easy river shove. Betting $0,26 makes the pot $1.54 with $1,52 left, which is almost full pot. This can be ok, if you think, it can induce some bluff raises and/or, that he will interpret a big river jam as bluffy. But my default would be to go bigger like $0,5. You just dont want to go so big, that it becomes obvious, you are never folding.

When he raise, you could be behind to QJ, but its not "a massive shove of $6.51". You are the effective stack, and you only have $1.52 left, which as I already said, is about a pot sized bet. You are getting 2:1, so you need 33% equity to call it off. You have 23% against a straight, and you crush everything else including worse sets, two pair and bluffs. So this is a snap call, and if you lost to QJ, it just is, what it is.

hardongear · Jun 9, 2026

I'm calling so quick(everything fundiver199 says above) his head will spin. If he's stupid enough to call my 4bet with QJ good for him for renting my money. He better leave directly after winning this hand because if he doesn't in 20-30 mins I'll have that money back plus my rental fee which is at least another buy-in if he has that much. Please have 5+ more buy-ins

.

EDIT: I also wouldn't being playing and don't play fast fold for a couple reasons. It's more like bingo, gambling and there really is no way to tell what dude has(you got no tells) so you gotta call in more spots. Second reason being now I'll likely have to get/earn my money back from a better player as I might never see this clown again. I'm really not into working harder......I work long and hard enough at my day job. Poker is for fun, relaxing and a side hustle.

Cheers!!!

perrywh · Jun 9, 2026

Call!

fundiver199 · Jun 9, 2026

hardongear said:
If he's stupid enough to call my 4bet with QJ good for him for renting my money.

Hero also lost to 87. But again: If someone is loose enough to 3-bet an UTG open with 87 and then call a 4-bet, they kind of need to be paid off, when they nail a straight on the turn

hardongear said:
He better leave directly after winning this hand because if he doesn't in 20-30 mins I'll have that money back plus my rental fee which is at least another buy-in if he has that much.

Sadly this was a fast-fold game, so he is more likely to lose his "borrowed" money to someone else.

hardongear · Jun 9, 2026

fundiver199 said:
Hero also lost to 87. But again: If someone is loose enough to 3-bet an UTG open with 87 and then call a 4-bet, they kind of need to be paid off, when they nail a straight on the turn

Sadly this was a fast-fold game, so he is more likely to lose his "borrowed" money to someone else.

Yeah realized that after I commented so EDITED my comment. Fast fold (really is garbage) not good poker as much as it's good bingo and gambling. You got no tells on anyone unless it's a small player pool(cause you don't have enough hands on anyone), you pay more rake quicker and less skill is involved.

Cheers!!!

Station_Master · Jun 9, 2026

You never fold top set in a 4bet pot

fundiver199 · Jun 9, 2026

Station_Master said:
You never fold top set in a 4bet pot

Typically not but could be some exceptions like having

on

and facing some massive overbet.....

Station_Master · Jun 9, 2026

fundiver199 said:
Typically not but could be some exceptions like having on and facing some massive overbet.....

True. I was going to caveat but as a general rule, we are happy getting it in in almost all scenarios. In this case spr is a bit high as 4bet size is too small, but still it's never a fold.

I wonder what the flop cbet strategy is on the board you mentioned, reckon it could even be a shove or check when this wet (so we never face the turn overbet anyway

)

fundiver199 · Jun 11, 2026

Station_Master said:
True. I was going to caveat but as a general rule, we are happy getting it in in almost all scenarios.

Yeah I found a really extreme example, where we are drawing dead to any hand with the A or 9 of hearts, since these turned a straight flush. In most other situations we would usually be happy to stack off with top set in a 4-bet pot on the flop or turn. On the river its a little different, since we no longer have any chance to fill up. Like in this hand, if the Villain had just called, and the river was a Q or J putting out a 1-liner to a straight, then top set is pretty much a bluff catcher, and it could be reasonable to check-fold.

Poker Orifice · Jun 13, 2026

That's too bad you folded.

Poker Orifice · Jun 13, 2026

hardongear said:
I'm calling so quick(everything fundiver199 says above) his head will spin. If he's stupid enough to call my 4bet with QJ good for him for renting my money. He better leave directly after winning this hand because if he doesn't in 20-30 mins I'll have that money back plus my rental fee which is at least another buy-in if he has that much. Please have 5+ more buy-ins .

EDIT: I also wouldn't being playing and don't play fast fold for a couple reasons. It's more like bingo, gambling and there really is no way to tell what dude has(you got no tells) so you gotta call in more spots. Second reason being now I'll likely have to get/earn my money back from a better player as I might never see this clown again. I'm really not into working harder......I work long and hard enough at my day job. Poker is for fun, relaxing and a side hustle.

Cheers!!!

IF the player pool had a thousand players in it (which it did at one time) but these days on many sites you'll be seated vs. villain on two and sometimes three tables at a time. Also, it really doesn't take long at all to develop reads on the different players.
Generally speaking it tends to have tougher players on it... but at the same time some spewy ones too (hoping they're anonymous and can just blast off... not realizing they stand out like a sore thumb to the other players who are on there all the time). Which brings me to another point... all of the stronger players are 4-tabling those games (sometimes more by playing at more than one buyin level at a time)... but so are some of the spewy ones... AND many of them will be on there for 12hours/day (or more for leaderboards) making it real easy to spot the regs. once you've played a bunch of hands.

Sunz of Beaches · Jun 13, 2026

Poker Orifice said:
That's too bad you folded.

Did he?

Poker Orifice · Jun 13, 2026

Sunz of Beaches said:
Did he?

Do you think he'd make this post if he called? (unless the guy had QJ and he was wondering if he should've folded I guess)

Sunz of Beaches · Jun 13, 2026

Poker Orifice said:
Do you think he'd make this post if he called? (unless the guy had QJ and he was wondering if he should've folded I guess)

Totally possible imo yes. Its less likely though.

Marcos1315 · Jun 13, 2026

fundiver199 said:
Preflop
I think, you are leaving money at the table with this sizing preflop. Open raise to at least 2,5BB, and probably 3BB is better still. 4-bet should put at least 20BB into the pot, and since you are more than 100BB deep, 25BB is better. At 2NL people are not that elastic in their calling ranges, and you dont need to worry about bet sizing tells in a Zoom game. So just get more money into the pot, when you have a premium hand.

Flop
It kind of sucks, that you have top set, because it block top pair quite a bit. And for that reason I like a small sizing. It can even induce some spazz raises, which would of course be great.

Turn
At this time its all about pot geometry. You have $1.78 left, and you want to set it up for an easy river shove. Betting $0,26 makes the pot $1.54 with $1,52 left, which is almost full pot. This can be ok, if you think, it can induce some bluff raises and/or, that he will interpret a big river jam as bluffy. But my default would be to go bigger like $0,5. You just dont want to go so big, that it becomes obvious, you are never folding.

When he raise, you could be behind to QJ, but its not "a massive shove of $6.51". You are the effective stack, and you only have $1.52 left, which as I already said, is about a pot sized bet. You are getting 2:1, so you need 33% equity to call it off. You have 23% against a straight, and you crush everything else including worse sets, two pair and bluffs. So this is a snap call, and if you lost to QJ, it just is, what it is.

In micro stakes, a 2bb raise creates many multiway pots. I used to use 2.5bb, but I'm preferring 3bb. Depending on the opponents, it could even be 3.5bb or 4bb.

I'd never seen anyone talk about top set blocking top pair. It makes a lot of sense.

Regarding the opponent's range, I think TT, QQ, JJ, 99, 66, or QJs make the most sense. Kx is unlikely because of the blocker. AA (and maybe QQ) probably would have done more than call the 4-bet. I don't see him shoving with gutshots (AQ, AJ). JJ and QQ would be more bluff catchers than value hands or bluffs at this point. I don't think he would call the 4-bet with JT, J9, T9, 87, 88, or 77. He probably wouldn't 3-bet with those hands.

If that's the case, it's 4 QJs combos and 21 of the rest (QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 66). But I find the shove with QQ and JJ strange and, depending on the player, they wouldn't call the 4-bet with 66. It's also not standard practice to 3-bet with QJs in micro stakes.

$2 NL HE 6-max: Villain shoved a massive stack at the turn, call?

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