$2 NLHE 6-max: Almost all players will lose this hand

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I think this hand is pretty difficult to win. But there must be a way to lose less. Please point it out. Thank you and have a nice day.




[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37418124

MP: $2.18 (109 bb)
CO: $1.78 (89 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.39 (119.5 bb)
SB: $2.04 (102 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T:heart: K:heart:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15) T:diamond: A:heart: K:diamond: (2 players)
CO bets $0.11, Hero raises to $0.38, CO raises to $1.06, Hero raises to $1.94 and is all-in, CO calls $0.66

Turn: ($3.59) 3:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($3.59) 9:diamond: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

[spoil]Results: $3.59 pot ($0.17 rake)
Final Board: T:diamond: A:heart: K:diamond: 3:spade: 9:diamond:
CO showed K:club: A:spade: and won $3.42 ($1.64 net)
Hero showed T:heart: K:heart: and won $0.00 (-$1.78 net)
 
Dont show results. It skews advice.

I think when he 3-bets the flop we're hoping he has AJ-AQ or just whaling. I think it's a fold at that point unless we have evidence that he is a whale.
 
Standard flop call. Bottom two isn't great on this board, and villain folds 1 pair hands to a raise.
 
C9 is right, you overplayed this hand. Bottom two on an all broadway flop isn't a very strong hand. CO has all combos of AT/AK/QJ/AA/KK/TT in his range that have you crushed vs AQ/AJ that you beat that he might not even GII with on this flop. I used to misplay these hands a bunch and costed myself a lot of money. I'll sometimes find a fold with this hand if villain takes a bet/bet/shove line.
 
As the others said your flop rise was over play. Maybe a flop,turn call and river fold where a good line
 
Romario2223 said:
I think from BTN need 3-bet with this hand or fold pre
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Flatting is fine pre. It's 2nl so we can expect villain to be opening worse a lot. We can outplay in position.
 
He already bet pretty big, I'd just call this flop. Too many hands in his range beat us on this board to fastplay our two-pair.
Wrong board to get it in. Great board to just call 3 barrels if the turn and river are blanks.
 
Gues, if we know, that opp is nit can we fold here or it's not deppends on statistic and call everytime with two pair on 6 max tables?
 
Im definately flatting that on the flop for pot control. Did you have any stats on opponent?
 
Romario2223 said:
I think from BTN need 3-bet with this hand or fold pre
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seventhsense said:
Flatting is fine pre. It's 2nl so we can expect villain to be opening worse a lot. We can outplay in position.
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IMO this is the only real question. Folding pre is way too nitty and my standard play is to 3 bet with any hand I don't fold. But as Emerson said, "foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds". I don't mind an occasional call with this type of hand and I prefer it when villain is a tight "Fit or Fold" player. In those cases you're probably behind preflop so 3 betting is pointless. However they'll miss the flop often enough to make the call profitable.

To OP. This is an easy (yet dissapointing) fold to 3 bet on the flop.
 
all players will lose this hand (ducy!?) not all players will get stacked though..
 
seventhsense said:
Why 3 bet? We can definitely be flatting against an under stacked CO 2nl range.
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1. Position
2. Villain folding aint the worst thing and we collect money without a fight which is always nice with marginal hands.
3. Bloating the pot against fishy players is exactly what we want to do. Especially if we have an edge against them.


And the whole 3bet would've saved our guy anhbt from losing his entire stack if villain 4bet and we folded. 🙂 So it was the answer to the riddles hand.
 
Aces2w1n said:
1. Position
2. Villain folding aint the worst thing and we collect money without a fight which is always nice with marginal hands.
3. Bloating the pot against fishy players is exactly what we want to do. Especially if we have an edge against them.


And the whole 3bet would've saved our guy anhbt from losing his entire stack if villain 4bet and we folded. 🙂 So it was the answer to the riddles hand.
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We have position regardless of whether we 3 bet. It's not an explanation for your play. I'm sure you'd make the same argument if you were OOP because you want control of the pot.

Are you 3 betting for value then? It shouldn't be as a bluff because we can flat for 'value' comfortably.

You said 'marginal hand' and then that 'bloating the pot' is good. You frequently contradict your own arguments.

Your plays are not the worst, but your justification and reasoning for them is often array.

Out of the micros I would 3 bet more often in this scenario but I don't see a need for it here.
 
alright marginal meaning its a hand thats at the bottom of oue value range.
 
I guess i would just call his raises and then raise on the river
 
my friend All players will lose this hand not Almost all; the difference being I will only pay not going All in since many combinations of hand will defeat us! :deal:
 
Aces2w1n said:
alright marginal meaning its a hand thats at the bottom of oue value range.
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Regardless, you want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand. That's ridiculous.

Do you play like 20/19 or something? What hands do you flat?
 
Complicated yet interesting hand to begin with,I won't fold pre either.But as played I might consider fold to the 3bet,but this had to take into account the villain tendencies.
 
seventhsense said:
Regardless, you want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand. That's ridiculous.

Do you play like 20/19 or something? What hands do you flat?
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at one point i never use to flat it was raise or fold
 
Aces2w1n said:
at one point i never use to flat it was raise or fold
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That's very exploitable. Your 3 bet will be too high and you'll lose value.

At 10/25nl you'll get away with it but at 50nl+ the regs will crush you. A decent 3 bet is usually between 5-8%. If you are awesome post-flop then you can justify a higher 3 bet %.
 
seventhsense said:
That's very exploitable. Your 3 bet will be too high and you'll lose value.

At 10/25nl you'll get away with it but at 50nl+ the regs will crush you. A decent 3 bet is usually between 5-8%. If you are awesome post-flop then you can justify a higher 3 bet %.
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yeah but my 3bet goes up higher due to stealing... i also have stats which tell me who likes to fight back 🙂
 
Aces2w1n said:
yeah but my 3bet goes up higher due to stealing... i also have stats which tell me who likes to fight back 🙂
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It means you need a 5 bet shipping range to balance the times you get 4 bet. The downside for you is, your 3 bet stats will converge far faster than by 4 bet stats. Making me more confident in my read against you.

Work out what range of hands is profitable shipping against a certain 4 bet %. It gets tougher because you'll need consider that I 4 bet far more often against players like you. Meaning my 4 bet against you is different to what my stat says by quite a bit.

I will also be flatting you a lot more as well. That's where the post-flop skills are necessary.
 
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