$2 NLHE 6-max: TPTK on turn vs. laggy reraise

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$2 NL HE 6-max: TPTK on turn vs. laggy reraise

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 63/32/5.3

I 3bet this guy light because he had been raising every button for over 50 hands. I cbet because I was putting him on any two broadways and I flopped an oesd (good idea or no?). What's my play here when he re-raises my cbet? (It's $.82 to shove or do i just fold) My stats were showing me to be playing fairly tag at the time (25/18/2.3).

Stage #1296425897: Holdem No Limit $0.02 - 2009-03-05 15:07:10 (ET)
Table: BELLEVUE DR (real money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - LE VERNONNET ($2.54 in chips)
Seat 5 - DCRYS1979 ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOCASEYER ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 3 - USAIRGIRL ($1.26 in chips)
DCRYS1979 - Posts small blind $0.01
DOCASEYER - Posts big blind $0.02
USAIRGIRL - Posts $0.02
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DCRYS1979 [Ad 9c]
USAIRGIRL - Checks
LE VERNONNET - Raises $0.06 to $0.06
DCRYS1979 - Raises $0.19 to $0.20
DOCASEYER - Folds
USAIRGIRL - Folds
LE VERNONNET - Calls $0.14
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 7d]
DCRYS1979 - Bets $0.36
LE VERNONNET - Raises $1.52 to $1.52
DCRYS1979 - ???
 
For some reason, it wouldn't let me edit the old post.

But anyway, when I say it's $.82 to shove, I mean he left $.82 behind.
 
Tough one. Replies will be interesting. I think it's likely you're either behind or way behind. There's nothing you're 'ahead' with other than the oesd or A hi.

Little doubt in my mind, and I don't play short-handed, but I'd say I'll be the minority opinion and fold.
 
HMmmm.. just re-read the title and it says 'TPTK' and $4 NL but blinds are .01/.02 ???

Must have spiked an Ace on the turn? Or am I confused 😕

What top pair, top kick ???

Are you back at that bar ? or did you fall off that Powerful Pinkster ... ??
 
nevadanick said:
HMmmm.. just re-read the title and it says 'TPTK' and $4 NL but blinds are .01/.02 ???

Must have spiked an Ace on the turn? Or am I confused 😕

What top pair, top kick ???

Are you back at that bar ? or did you fall off that Powerful Pinkster ... ??
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Oops, kinda gave some of it away huh? And the $4NL is a fluke because it didn't give me the option for .01/.02! Don't know why not, but oh well.
 
oesd plus a back door flush draw (add about 1 out) plus one Ace that might be good 1/3 of the time which is 10 effective outs with 2 cards to come vs a spewtard...hell, your 9 might even be good sometimes.

If your roll is big enough (>30 buyins), I would shove and embrace the variance
 
No experience at the limit but I don't like light 3-betting spewtards OOP with your hand. I'd rather wait for a premium and try stacking him.
 
I was hoping to see and read more replies to this one...

so am bumping it back up.
 
nevadanick said:
I was hoping to see and read more replies to this one...

so am bumping it back up.
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This hand history is really ugly, try using stoxpoker hand converter or anything other than the raw history and more people might reply...

This is a fold.

I don't like the idea of building the pot OOP preflop (like Shrog said), especially if the guy is an aggressive maniac and doesn't fold to 3-bets or c-bets. Not sure what his fold to c-bet is, but if he is this crazy aggressive, I'm not all that shocked to get check raised a good amount. If you don't have any fold equity then this is a pure bluff, which doesn't need to be done at the micros.
 
1. The best play against maniacs is to **not** play their game.... Your A9o -- on most flops -- is too weak to hold up against a maniac who could have you crushed, or edged or nothing or whatever. Reraising I think was a mistake unless you knew he would fold, otherwise you built a pot that is way bigger than the strength of your hand/position/stacks/opponent etc.

2. PostF -- knowing you will be check-raised or raise-reraised, and that you have a good drawing hand, but nothing else, why did you raise? You want to see turns cheaply, at this point...So your best bet would have been to check and hope that he connected and wanted to string you along and that his raise would be small enough to give you the right odds to continue. As it happened, you signaled that you maybe had something, enough, for him to test you out. You've got 10 outs and ~2:1. Not enough to justify the call. Fold.
 
Well, I didn't follow anyone's advice on here, but it still worked out. Turned out he did have a decent hand, but I still think this, seeing what he had been showing down with, was the right play.



Stage #1296425897: Holdem No Limit $0.02 - 2009-03-05 15:07:10 (ET)
Table: BELLEVUE DR (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - LE VERNONNET ($2.54 in chips)
Seat 5 - DCRYS1979 ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOCASEYER ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 3 - USAIRGIRL ($1.26 in chips)
DCRYS1979 - Posts small blind $0.01
DOCASEYER - Posts big blind $0.02
USAIRGIRL - Posts $0.02
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DCRYS1979 [Ad 9c]
USAIRGIRL - Checks
LE VERNONNET - Raises $0.06 to $0.06
DCRYS1979 - Raises $0.19 to $0.20
DOCASEYER - Folds
USAIRGIRL - Folds
LE VERNONNET - Calls $0.14
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 7d]
DCRYS1979 - Bets $0.36
LE VERNONNET - Raises $1.52 to $1.52
DCRYS1979 - Raises $2.68 to $3.04
LE VERNONNET - All-In $0.82
DCRYS1979 - returned ($0.70) : not called
*** TURN *** [8d 6s 7d] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 6s 7d 9h] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LE VERNONNET - Shows [Ac 7c] (One pair, sevens)
DCRYS1979 - Shows [Ad 9c] (One pair, nines)
DCRYS1979 Collects $4.87 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5.12) | Rake ($0.25)
Board [8d 6s 7d 9h 3d]
Seat 3: USAIRGIRL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: LE VERNONNET (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, sevens [Ac 7c - B:7d,P:7c,P:Ac,B:9h,B:8d]
Seat 5: DCRYS1979 (small blind) won Total ($4.87) HI🙁$4.87) with One pair, nines [Ad 9c - B:9h,P:9c,P:Ad,B:8d,B:7d]
Seat 6: DOCASEYER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
 
Results oriented imo...

Anyway, I was also under the impression that you 3-bet light against opponents that fold easily, not against aggressive opponents like this. Of course if he was folding to 3-bets on his steal attempts or folding to flop bets constantly in 3-bet pots then go for it... did you make either of those observations while playing?
 
did you make either of those observations while playing?
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Nobody was playing back at him. That's why I decided to do this. After this, I played back a couple of times with better hands than this and he would either fold or showdown a decent hand.
 
The results have been posted so thread is basically over, but I fixed the title. TPTK means top pair/top kicker, which would be AK on this board.
 
D'wilius said:
TPTK means top pair/top kicker, which would be AK on this board.
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*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 7d]
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It seems there's an awful lot of confusion about what TPTK means 😀
 
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c9h13no3 said:
It seems there's an awful lot of confusion about what TPTK means 😀
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Haha, whoops 😀. I thought OP was a678 board. I'll stop 'fixing' things now 🙄.
 
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