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Message: [QUOTE="F Paulsson, post: 417983, member: 6979"] First hand: That's $15 to call in a $39 pot. I count 11 completely clean outs (9 for the flush, and two more for the straight). The K of spades is almost surely clean as well (barring the possibility that he hits a flush) and your ace is probably worth at least ~1.5 outs as well, for a grand total of 13 to 14 outs. This gives you about 2.4-to-1 of beating him, and the pot is laying you 2.6-to-1. This looks like an extremely clear call to me. Raising could be an option, but will he fold any real hand here? Is he going to believe that you checked a good hand twice? When he folds, you probably had him beat, and when he calls he has a hand that you need the river to improve - and then you've paid too much to see it. A fun idea: Call the turn and bet $30 on the river no matter what comes. Hand 2: Let's rule out folding, first of all. You have the nut flush draw on the flop and there are two players in there with you. The flush draw itself gives you an equity of 35% in this hand, so folding is clearly out the window. In fact, if you could convince both other players to all shove their stacks into the middle right now, you should still call. Secondly, let's consider raising. You could be ahead at this point, but raising won't protect your hand. You have two players who show extreme willingness to play (which seems to suggest that you're behind) and raising a small amount isn't going to make them go away, but it does have the potential to hurt your implied odds. Furthermore, a large raise may make one of them fold, and that's something you don't want. Your flush draw is your major hope here, and you want to keep both of them in to pay the piper when you hit. Both of them are rapidly becoming pot committed, though and you're in the best relative position to make a very profitable checkraise on the turn the times you hit your flush. Folding is out, raising doesn't seem to do you much good, so that leaves calling, for all the reasons that raising is not good. [/QUOTE]

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