It sounds high to me from the botton, but that's just my opinion wihtout any real reason. Mine is 31/23 (VPIP/PFR specified in position, I presume that is the same as my steal??) and I get re-raised a lot.
I am loosing big from the small blind and by doing an analysis on poker tracker it looks like I am raising to much in the small blind. My VPIP is 27/21 from SB.
I should say that this is from a very small sample of only 7500 hands.
I am up just about $20 this month, only played the last week or so, but I have lost $80 in this period!! so I need to tighten up🙂
I am loosing big from the small blind and by doing an analysis on poker tracker it looks like I am raising to much in the small blind. My VPIP is 27/21 from SB.
I should say that this is from a very small sample of only 7500 hands.
I am up just about $20 this month, only played the last week or so, but I have lost $80 in this period!! so I need to tighten up🙂
FR or 6max?
There is a correlation between steal % and steal sizing.
The more you steal, your range is weaker, more 3bets you will see = sizing should be smaller. So with 50% steal you can go with 2.5bb or even minraise.
In my experience people at 2NL either fold way too much to steals or way too little... meaning, go with the HUD and play exploitatively.
There is a correlation between steal % and steal sizing.
The more you steal, your range is weaker, more 3bets you will see = sizing should be smaller. So with 50% steal you can go with 2.5bb or even minraise.
In my experience people at 2NL either fold way too much to steals or way too little... meaning, go with the HUD and play exploitatively.
BigCountryGB said:
Hey I got love for 2nl, I just finished with $2nl last week. 75,000 hands played . 6bb/100 , I wouldn't worry about stealing the blinds is all I am saying. Surely open your range up in late position, but not for the sole purpose of stealing blinds. Wish you the best.
I would not say its easy to steal blinds at micros. The "call" rate is much higher. Ppl at micros dont like to loose to simple aggresion, tons of calling station.
So you can have very high "try to steal" percentage. But be ready to see the flop (in position, so its good for you). Be a bit more careful at SB, as you will be OOP.
So you can have very high "try to steal" percentage. But be ready to see the flop (in position, so its good for you). Be a bit more careful at SB, as you will be OOP.
Sil3ntness said:
Against full ring 9vpip regs mass tabling this is certainly true, they will fold. But no, most will call Because the blinds are so small. To "steal" you'd have to make it 08c-12cents to go. Doing so with a light hand is just not profitable in my opinion for the sole sake of stealing.
Don't worry about targeting a "right" number. Worry about identifying the situations that lead to that number.
You could tell me it's best to play 15/15/4, and then I could go out and raise the worst 15% of hands. Learn who you can steal against, with what hands, from what spots. That's what's important.
You could tell me it's best to play 15/15/4, and then I could go out and raise the worst 15% of hands. Learn who you can steal against, with what hands, from what spots. That's what's important.
c9h13no3 said:
That is a good point. The reason for my original post was I had recently added "Folds to Steal" and "Attempts to Steal" to my HUD, so I am trying to target players that I think will fold. As others have said the micros can be full of calling stations. I think my take away from the thread is that I should avoid trying to steal with any two cards and make sure I have a hand to work with of I do get called.
In the micros you "steal" less, but you probably have a higher steal percentage. Cards like KT/A9/T8 are perfectly acceptable to play on the button against a drooling station that will be easy to play against.
So yes, you're "stealing" less, but you're playing with good position against bad players with a wider hand range.
Another thing that I don't think micro players realize enough is that the majority of your winnings come from playing against fish. And so you table select to make sure you play lots of hands against them. When you join a game, you want the worst players to be either 2 seats to your left (in the BB when you're on the BTN), or to you immediate right. That way you ensure you play more hands against bad players.
So yes, you're "stealing" less, but you're playing with good position against bad players with a wider hand range.
Another thing that I don't think micro players realize enough is that the majority of your winnings come from playing against fish. And so you table select to make sure you play lots of hands against them. When you join a game, you want the worst players to be either 2 seats to your left (in the BB when you're on the BTN), or to you immediate right. That way you ensure you play more hands against bad players.
I used to steal relentlessly from the BTN up until 10NL where nobody was 3 betting from the blinds except few regs.
But 20NL changed everything and I had to adjust my game considerably from the button.
I never believed in SB stealing I just don't think it can be profitable as even the nitty players seem to play back from the BB. I open more hands UTG than SB so go figure.
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But 20NL changed everything and I had to adjust my game considerably from the button.
I never believed in SB stealing I just don't think it can be profitable as even the nitty players seem to play back from the BB. I open more hands UTG than SB so go figure.
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