*Don't Touch* Oreo's Cash Game Grind

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Thanks it was a bit of a cooler but I don't mind it at all!

So, I had my most winning day ever today(7BI). Which is definitely pretty cool. A lot of double barrels worked out and I can't lie, I was running damn good too.

I probably shouldn't have tripled here without the A of spades..

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 63.39 BB (VPIP: 8.77, PFR: 3.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, hands: 57)
CO: 82.05 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
Hero (BTN): 115.55 BB
SB: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
BB: 96.46 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 1.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
UTG: 81.5 BB (VPIP: 7.32, PFR: 4.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
UTG+1: 189.37 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 22.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
MP: 109.75 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 40)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♥ A♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) A♣ 5♠ 6♠
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) T♠
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (30.5 BB, 2 players) 7♥
BB checks, Hero bets 21 BB, BB raises to 45 BB, fold

BB wins 93.5 BB




A Tombstone pizza to the face, a hot shower and some Boondocks and then back to the grind in 12 hours.
 
Playing on Bovada, what is the largest number of hands you spend at a table with any one player? I usually only play fixed limit there. I can usually expect one or two players to be in for the long haul, but I'm lucky if I see an opponent for more than fifty hands.
 
There were a several who were there for 130+ hands today. But I feel you, anything over 50 is definitely a bonus. How many hands do you generally play at a single table in a session?
 
I'm trying to get in the habbit of dropping the table if I aint doing anything on it between 75-100 and hope to join another where I'm active.

My belief is if my money isn't going up or down then I'm just wasting time.
 
1010 hand I don't like 3-betting pre. Full-ring players are nittier, and his PFR is 12%. He's not folding a lot to our 3-bet, and we can get 4-bet a decent amount of the time and have to fold out our equity/set value. You're never getting a better hand to fold, and every hand that's better is continuing. Also just calling allows more people to come in so we get more implied odds. If the BTN weren't a complete fish cold-calling with 55, you would have probably not gotten paid off. You basically turned 1010 into a bluff against a pretty passive guy who just raised UTG + 1.

A2s I prefer checking back flop. Flop is not that wet, and checking opens up his bluffing range. People take stabs a lot, so you can get a decent amount of value by checking. We are also way ahead or way behind.

Also if we bet A2s here our flop checking range is super weak. Not that I care much about being exploitable unless I play in the nosebleeds or something, but just something to think about. Turn barrel is pretty bad. We're folding out all of his hands that we beat like 2nd/3rd pair that got sticky and letting his better hands continue. I don't expect a turn barrel to accomplish much, since most of his flop calling range is still going to call a turn barrel or improved. I don't like double barreling with low/no equity and tripling since we get called pretty often. I've seen people call me light a decent amount of the time and try to hero me with underpairs/super weak pairs/2nd pairs against my strong value double/3-barrels. People just don't fold enough. Over something like 60k hands I only triple barreled once a busted turned FD, and he tanked for a pretty long time with presumably a weak Jx on a xxJxA board. It does feel really good though to win a pot by 3-barreling all-in ten high 🙂.
 
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In buddy, I didn't know until you posted he link in the other thread, i'm getting pretty lazy about looking around the forum for new threads.
 
My average is around 400, and up to 700. How about you?
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You must mean overall in a session. I try to play around 700 before I take a break but it's sometimes tough only four tabling!


I'm trying to get in the habbit of dropping the table if I aint doing anything on it between 75-100 and hope to join another where I'm active.

My belief is if my money isn't going up or down then I'm just wasting time.
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Understandable. I only really try to switch tables if I have very tough opponents on my left. It's not too often that I feel compelled to switch but I'm always keeping my eyes open for better tables. It's kind of sucky at bovada because yeah you can find a table where you can be more active but then your opponent stats reset. Kind of a lose, lose.
 
1010 hand I don't like 3-betting pre. Full-ring players are nittier, and his PFR is 12%. He's not folding a lot to our 3-bet, and we can get 4-bet a decent amount of the time and have to fold out our equity/set value. You're never getting a better hand to fold, and every hand that's better is continuing. Also just calling allows more people to come in so we get more implied odds. If the BTN weren't a complete fish cold-calling with 55, you would have probably not gotten paid off. You basically turned 1010 into a bluff against a pretty passive guy who just raised UTG + 1.

A2s I prefer checking back flop. Flop is not that wet, and checking opens up his bluffing range. People take stabs a lot, so you can get a decent amount of value by checking. We are also way ahead or way behind.

Also if we bet A2s here our flop checking range is super weak. Not that I care much about being exploitable unless I play in the nosebleeds or something, but just something to think about. Turn barrel is pretty bad. We're folding out all of his hands that we beat like 2nd/3rd pair that got sticky and letting his better hands continue. I don't expect a turn barrel to accomplish much, since most of his flop calling range is still going to call a turn barrel or improved. I don't like double barreling with low/no equity and tripling since we get called pretty often. I've seen people call me light a decent amount of the time and try to hero me with underpairs/super weak pairs/2nd pairs against my strong value double/3-barrels. People just don't fold enough. Over something like 60k hands I only triple barreled once a busted turned FD, and he tanked for a pretty long time with presumably a weak Jx on a xxJxA board. It does feel really good though to win a pot by 3-barreling all-in ten high 🙂.
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I will check back the weak aces pretty often here but I felt like the flop was reasonably coordinated and the turn didn't help. I'm not happy with how I played this hand. 3barreling isn't something I do too often. I don't think it's even necessary to win at bovada, really. But I don't mind having it in my arsenal 😉

I hear you with the 10 10. I've been trying to open up my 3bet vs ep range a little bit. Because I do so much of it in late position and I can sometimes be more timid 3betting ep opens I've been looking for more hands that I can do this with. I think I fold some hands with a lot of equity against mine but I get your point. Just got lucky there.

In buddy, I didn't know until you posted he link in the other thread, i'm getting pretty lazy about looking around the forum for new threads.
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Thanks for the sub 😀

Yeah me too. I only really comment in the PP thread and I have handful that I lurk in. Like yours lol.

Yoshiaki and I were gonna review some of his hands today. You should join us if you're free later!
 
A2, why are we bluffing river? Flop bet is totally fine.

x/turn and call normal sized river bets have to be better?
 
Subbed in

I don't grind as much as I use to, but I was mixing 200-600 on BV for awhile. Still dabble at 200 nowadays, but never at nitring, so I'm sure we won't be seeing each other 🙂
 
Thanks dueces and vinyl for the subs!

It shouldn't be too long before I grind my roll up and then we may be crossing paths from time to time!



A2, why are we bluffing river? Flop bet is totally fine.

x/turn and call normal sized river bets have to be better?
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Well I was trying to rep the flush. I think he folds a lot of his better aces but it would seem like he had the flush there. I like your line. I guess I beat enough of his hands that maybe I shouldn't be bluffing but bluff catching instead?


Has anyone else had problems with bovada snap shutting down while at the tables lately? It's happened to me 3 times the past week and just now. Since the update I've had to change up all of my computer settings in order to get it bovada to run more smoothly. It's kind of annoying.
 
This is why full ring is better than 6max. How often do you guys see this at the 6max tables?

This was the first hand i'd played in two orbits. So since I was looking all nit like I figured I'd squeeze 🙂

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 81.1 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG+1: 195.35 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 92.8 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP+1: 160.35 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
CO: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BTN: 86.04 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 14)
Hero (SB): 96 BB
BB: 78.72 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3♥ A♠

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 11.5 BB

Flop: (33 BB, 2 players) K♠ 7♠ 9♠
Hero bets 21 BB, BTN raises to 71.54 BB, Hero calls 50.54 BB

Turn: (176.08 BB, 2 players) K♥

River: (176.08 BB, 2 players) 5♥

BTN shows 4♠ 7♣ (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 41%, Flop 57%, Turn 68%)
Hero mucks 3♥ A♠ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 59%, Flop 43%, Turn 32%)
BTN wins 173.08 BB
 
Now I'm not really a Holdem player and I understand the squeeze but isn't full ring really nitty? Do we really make a profit 3 betting here against a MP open?

I know it's a good hand to 3 bet but like isn't a MP open full ring kinda tight?
 
He is kind of tight, he's opening like 19% overall but he's folding to 3bet 80%. It's kind of nitty in the sense that everyone limps 40% of their hands lol. It's a nice mixture of nits/fish.
 
It is only 22 hands though so not a tremendously meaningful sample size. It's just me thinking out loud cause while I don't necessarily have a problem with the squeeze, I'm just wondering how profitable it is against a somewhat random player
 
I totally get what your saying. I think it's probably profitable. I was trying to exploit my tight image a bit. Also, I don't think that player is defending AJ or worse, probably folds a slew of medium pairs and broadways as well. That's probably not true after he saw me showdown a3o though.
 
or3o1990 said:
Well I was trying to rep the flush. I think he folds a lot of his better aces but it would seem like he had the flush there. I like your line. I guess I beat enough of his hands that maybe I shouldn't be bluffing but bluff catching instead?


Has anyone else had problems with bovada snap shutting down while at the tables lately? It's happened to me 3 times the past week and just now. Since the update I've had to change up all of my computer settings in order to get it bovada to run more smoothly. It's kind of annoying.
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He might not be folding a lot of his big aces though and there is only 2 aces left in the deck so his range probably has more draws then top pairs so I prefer playing as a bluff catcher. I do see your logic behind it though and it probably isn't much different in EV between the lines. Now if we had the A of spades, the bluff is much much better imo.

I have had Bovada snap shut down on me once without any warnings at all, it was really weird.
 
or3o1990 said:
You must mean overall in a session. I try to play around 700 before I take a break but it's sometimes tough only four tabling!
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Nope, I mean at a single table. I play one table at a time, sometimes two. I honestly thought that my average is low. I always aim for 1000, but I get complacent if I'm around 400 and winning. I'm working on continuing to play with urgency, even when I'm winning.
 
Nice thread mate, looking forward to this one.

Good Luck at the tables 🙂
 
Nope, I mean at a single table. I play one table at a time, sometimes two. I honestly thought that my average is low. I always aim for 1000, but I get complacent if I'm around 400 and winning. I'm working on continuing to play with urgency, even when I'm winning.
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Jeez man. That must take you like 8 hours. It's hard enough getting 1000 hands in at 4 tables..




Thanks for the support Jonny! I appreciate it!
 
vwls said:
Nope, I mean at a single table. I play one table at a time, sometimes two. I honestly thought that my average is low. I always aim for 1000, but I get complacent if I'm around 400 and winning. I'm working on continuing to play with urgency, even when I'm winning.
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This is a leak, potentially a huge leak if you play longer when losing.
 
IPlay said:
This is a leak, potentially a huge leak if you play longer when losing.
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That's not what I meant 😱 I play around 400, whether I'm winning or losing. I've never played a session where I was losing so much that I needed to immediately quit, but I will know if that time comes. 400 is sort of a natural threshold. I'm not sure why this is the case. After that mark, I break even, so I take a break and get back to it later.

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Jeez man. That must take you like 8 hours. It's hard enough getting 1000 hands in at 4 tables..
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I haven't been able to reach 1000, yet. 6-max Fixed Limit it quicker than Full Ring NL. I have reached 668 hands in 4 hours, playing FL. In NL, it's about what you estimated. When I play, I like to put in the work. It suits me, somehow. I also don't play every day. I play a couple SNGs on my work days, and I play cash on my off days.
 
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